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MSE News: High demand could push rental prices up

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"The rental sector is 'creaking under the strain' of increased demand, says property website Rightmove ..."
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  • brit1234
    brit1234 Posts: 5,385 Forumite
    Didn't LSL state that rents have fallen two months in a row?

    Also we have the large cuts to housing benefit starting next month which will reduce rents further. Wage freezes, interest rate rises with rising unemployment will have a further downwards effect.
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  • poppy10_2
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    brit1234 wrote: »
    Didn't LSL state that rents have fallen two months in a row?
    Yes, they did:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12492396

    Anecdotally rents near where I live have fallen over the last twelve months, after several years of well-above inflation rises. Plenty of supply out there, especially as people who can't sell are renting out their properties instead. As you say, the effects of the housing benefit cuts will soon feed through to suppress rents further - I suspect this will have a much larger effect than most are expecting.
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  • HAMISH_MCTAVISH
    HAMISH_MCTAVISH Posts: 28,592 Forumite
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    Gosh, rents dip marginally in December and January. The two weakest months for letting..Shocker.

    Rents are going nowhere but upwards this year. Massive rent increases coming for sure, given the incredible (and worsening) shortage of houses in the UK. Of course mortgage rationing will only make this situation worse, as millions of people are locked out of the housing market.
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  • geoffky
    geoffky Posts: 6,835 Forumite
    Nice try but looks like your attempt has been seen for what it is. House prices are falling a hell of a lot faster than any rents can rise and the trend is set.
    It is nice to see the value of your house going up'' Why ?
    Unless you are planning to sell up and not live anywhere, I can;t see the advantage.
    If you are planning to upsize the new house will cost more.
    If you are planning to downsize your new house will cost more than it should
    If you are trying to buy your first house its almost impossible.
  • HAMISH_MCTAVISH
    HAMISH_MCTAVISH Posts: 28,592 Forumite
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    edited 7 March 2011 at 7:33PM
    geoffky wrote: »
    Nice try but looks like your attempt has been seen for what it is. House prices are falling a hell of a lot faster than any rents can rise and the trend is set.

    Wrong again geoffky....

    Prices UP on three of the four main indices this month, and it's not even time for the spring bounce yet.

    All the leading indicators pointing towards rising prices, from the housebuilder share index you hpc lot are so fond of (up 50% since Dec), to the ratio of enquiries to stock at agents.

    House prices may not soar this year, but they won't crash either. And the inevitable next boom is building strength every day we kick the can down the road, as shortage of housing worsens.

    It's a simple matter of supply and demand.
    Miles Shipside, director of Rightmove, says: "Letting agents in many areas are reporting an insatiable demand, with prospective tenants coming from all backgrounds and requiring all types of property.

    "Those traditional tenants that are leaving the family nest are increasingly being joined by those that can't sell or get a mortgage to trade up, putting unprecedented pressure on the rental sector to provide homes to rent on most rungs of the property ladder.

    "Such demand inevitably creates supply shortages and pushes up the cost of the rented roof over the tenant's head."

    The situation is being made worse by a fall in the number of homes that are available to rent, with Rightmove reporting an 18% drop in the number of rental properties on its site compared with a year ago.

    This is record breaking stuff mate, rental supply down 18% in just one year, new building at the lowest level since 1923, and population growing at the fastest rate in a generation.

    The housing shortage is worsening by 100,000 houses A YEAR, and we're just sowing the seeds of the next boom.....

    Rents will rise, house prices will inevitably follow as investment capital gets drawn in chasing yield, and mortgage rationing will continue to lock out FTB's.

    The perfect storm.
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  • James_N
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    There are too few quality houses for rent and too many people wanting to rent them.

    Prices for good quality accommodation are only going one way.
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  • HAMISH_MCTAVISH
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    James_N wrote: »
    There are too few quality houses for rent and too many people wanting to rent them.

    Prices for good quality accommodation are only going one way.

    Absolutely correct.
    “The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.

    Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”

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  • brit1234
    brit1234 Posts: 5,385 Forumite
    I guess there may be more pressure on rent as more and more buy to let landlords getrepossessed. As house prices fall and interest rates go up landlords will ditch their properties back into the market.

    :rotfl:

    As more landlord properties hit the market more first time buyers won't have to rent any more and buy these up.
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  • HAMISH_MCTAVISH
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    brit1234 wrote: »
    I guess there may be more pressure on rent as more and more buy to let landlords getrepossessed. As house prices fall and interest rates go up landlords will ditch their properties back into the market.

    :rotfl:

    As more landlord properties hit the market more first time buyers won't have to rent any more and buy these up.

    Except of course, that it isn't working that way at all.

    The number of BTL mortgages issued actually ROSE by 7% last year, the only category of lending to increase, as rising rental yields attracted investment capital.

    BTL's are replacing FTB's.....

    The shortage of housing is worsening.

    And house prices and rents are currently rising.
    “The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.

    Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”

    -- President John F. Kennedy”
  • brit1234
    brit1234 Posts: 5,385 Forumite
    And house prices and rents are currently rising.


    Rents down 2 months in a row and house prices have been falling for 6-8 months.

    Buy to Let represent the highest group in repossessions. Interest rates are set to rise, housing benefit is being cut, unemployment is rising and wages are frozen or being cut.

    It doesn't look good for landlords like you Hamish, the fundamentals are against you. Capital appreciation deteriorating, rental % yields are still low compared to what they use to be. Also capital gains has gone up.

    :rotfl:
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