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has anyone fostered via the council teenagers?

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what is your experience? considering we also have a toddler of our home in the house could this be an issue...? my partner is worried about drugs and money being stolen etc...however i love kids and love to help and thought it would also be better than renting one of our rooms out (not going to deny financially sounds better too). any experience / tips appreciated. thanks
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  • andyrules
    andyrules Posts: 3,558 Forumite
    Many of the teens in care have had such fragmented childhoods that they are very damaged and bring enormous difficulty. It isn't unknown for an unhappy teen to trash their f/c's house.

    That said, some are well adjusted and some may only need respite from regular carer or parental home.

    You would need to have a long talk with SS first, this would be the case anyway.

    I know you have been through difficult times recently, Deals, be very sure that you could cope, especially with a little one around.

    If you are after renting out your room, consider a student if you live anywhere near a college - they are short term and often would appreciate a mumsy figure around.

    Hopefully, you might get a pov from a foster carer on here.
  • margaretclare
    margaretclare Posts: 10,789 Forumite
    My first husband and I did this with teenagers (approx age 14) from Bradford. Years ago, before the whole drugs scene became so commonplace. The idea was - these were young people who had no experience of living as a family and that was what they were supposed to get from us, the give-and-take, doing things together, conversations over a table at mealtimes....

    Unfortunately, the young people themselves had completely unrealistic ideas about what living in a family meant, and we had no experience of living in children's homes, so it was very very difficult. And yes, a few things did go missing. Anything that didn't suit them, they would run away, we'd then have to contact Social Services, the police were out searching, you name it. Given that it was at the time of the Yorkshire Ripper and it was just not safe for any young woman.

    We had 2 girls, and a boy. None was successful. The boy, when told we lived in the country, thought he would have a motor-bike and ride round and round the field next door. We weren't a family that lived with the television on from morn to night, we had a big farmhouse-style kitchen in the basement where a lot of living went on - cooking, eating, conversation, hobbies, homework....they couldn't cope with that because there wasn't a TV set there. The social workers thought ours was just the kind of family atmosphere that would be good for the young people. The young people thought otherwise.

    Suffice to say, I'd never do it again.
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  • RevTimms
    RevTimms Posts: 54 Forumite
    Hi Deals, My wife and I did this a number of years ago and found it hugely rewarding. There are indeed a lot of damaged and troubled teens that need help. It can be very difficult, but there is alot of help available from social services if you need it.
    You say you have a toddler. Although that is not necessarily incompatible with what you have in mind it does add an extra element of difficulty. The teens that you may have may not be as careful around your toddler as you would necessarily be eg leaving doors open etc, so you will have to factor this into the equation.
    We did it for a number of years both whilst our children were toddlers and when they grew up, and we loved every minute of it.
    We had only one boy who I would call not a "sucess", but it depends on your definition of sucess. We judged it by the fact that we could not keep him safe and had to hand him back to social services even though he did not want to go.
    Most of the children we had - now adults - still visit us and keep in touch.

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    Unfortunately, the young people themselves had completely unrealistic ideas about what living in a family meant
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    No they don't know what living in a family means and that is why they are in care, and need help.
    You appear to have gone into this with the attitude that they must comply with us, fit in with us, do what we like you doing, don't watch TV, have nice "hobbies" etc. It is not surprising it did not work.
    We particularly avoided this attitude and as a consequence it was sucessful for us. I believe that to get respect, you first have to give respect, and perhaps you were not quite right for the job if you were not able to do this.

    We even get mothers day and fathers day cards from most of them now, and have been part of numerous weddings and christenings. It is truly rewarding.

    However, you must be flexible and not impose your values as these individuals are often troubled, and are not able to accept your values as they have not had the life experience you have had.
  • libbyc3
    libbyc3 Posts: 257 Forumite
    Hi Deals
    I am a current foster carer of teenagers and I would back up most of what the previous poster has said. You need to be laid back in your attitude of what is acceptable and not but it really is a fantastic job.
    I have 4 kids of my own aged 17, 14, 6 and 4 and I would say that having smalls around is actually a benefit - it allows the teenagers to get down on the floor and play like small children - an experience many of them have missed out on. also, small children generally accept anyone who walks through the door as their friend, which is an immediate benefit for a 6 foot hulk of a stroopy male teenager new to the house, expecting a row, who 5 minutes later is asked to put barbies dress on for a 4 year old - always a good icebreaker!!
    My OH was also nervous of the reputation that teenagers have - however, he very quickly realised that they are just children, same as ours who are tryig to find their way in the world the only way they have been shown.
    Yes it is the most frustrating, tiring and occasionally downright awful job in the world, but the mothers / fathers day cards, the notes of thanks sent 3 months after a placement has ended in tears, and the once in a blue moon unexpected hugs more than make up for the downsides.
    I should also add, the kids are the easy bit - dealing with social workers - thats a different story!
  • margaretclare
    margaretclare Posts: 10,789 Forumite
    No they don't know what living in a family means and that is why they are in care, and need help.
    You appear to have gone into this with the attitude that they must comply with us, fit in with us, do what we like you doing, don't watch TV, have nice "hobbies" etc. It is not surprising it did not work.
    No, we did not do any such things! We were guided by what the social workers advised us to do. What we were advised was to give them opportunities, of a life that they wouldn't otherwise have had. They were coming into our home, not we into theirs, that was what was said to us. Of course we were assessed beforehand and the SWs saw the way we lived. They thought it would be ideal.

    We didn't tell the young people to 'have nice hobbies', but we showed them the hobbies that we had - we didn't expect them to follow suit. We didn't tell them they couldn't watch TV, but there was only one TV set in the house and we were not prepared to put TV sets in all the rooms just to please them. The SWs emphasised time and again that it was 'our' lifestyle and we did not have to alter it to suit. I don't know where the young lad got the idea that we would buy him a motor-bike to 'ride round and round the field' - we certainly never said that and it wasn't our field anyway! That was what I meant by 'unrealistic expectations'.

    At that time in my life I was a manager in the midwifery service, NHS. My first husband was at home, and he was very well-used to dealing with young people via his work with the Sea Cadets. One young man I know now, not one that we fostered, has made a success of his life because my late husband was like a dad to him - he used to be there a lot. The downstairs farmhouse-style kitchen was like a 'family room' where everything went on, a lot of coming and going, chatter, friends. The SWs thought that would be ideal as the fostered young people wouldn't feel 'picked on' by being the whole focus of attention. So we then got the attention-seeking behaviour because they 'didn't feel enough notice was taken of them'. Can't win 'em all!
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  • libbyc3
    libbyc3 Posts: 257 Forumite
    My last point exactly!!
    The previous poster took the social workers advice and the placements failed! We are also told by our social worker all the bumf about it is our home and our lifestyle should not change to fit in with the kids - rubbish, rubbish, rubbish!
    We foster 1 at a time and each child we have is far harder work and creats more merry hell than my 4 put together - and that says something as my DS has had his moments.
    If you chose to foster your life will change completely, your tolerence will be tested, your patience will be stretched to breaking point and some days you will feel like a complete failure. then 1 day your fostered teenager will complete the first piece of homework he has ever done in his life and you will be the proudest (foster) parent in the world and know that somewhere hidden amongst all the grief you are doing something right.
    I am now lucky and have a supporting social worker who fostered herself so understands my moans and groans and knows when and what advice to offer. most carers aren't so lucky, most social workers have no idea what it is like to live with a damaged child 24/7.
    I am certain that margretclare entered fostering with every intention of succeeding and making a difference and for the short periods of time she had the kids a postive impact will have been made, but carers cannot rely on social services for the right support all the time - your best source of support is from other carers as they are the people who 'get' what you are going through having bin there and done it
  • margaretclare
    margaretclare Posts: 10,789 Forumite
    Thank you, libbyc3. You have hit the nail on the head exactly, whereas the poster who criticised me above did not.

    One bit of feedback that we got via the SW from the young people after they'd left was that we 'weren't a proper family'. Reason: I was at work and my husband wasn't. The SWs didn't object to that, but they did say afterwards that the young people 'may have had a story-book, nursery-rhyme image' of a family, and we didn't fit.
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  • geri1965_2
    geri1965_2 Posts: 8,736 Forumite
    Deals wrote: »
    what is your experience? considering we also have a toddler of our home in the house could this be an issue...? my partner is worried about drugs and money being stolen etc...however i love kids and love to help and thought it would also be better than renting one of our rooms out (not going to deny financially sounds better too). any experience / tips appreciated. thanks

    I don't have any personal experience but my sister is a foster carer for the local authority. If your wife is worried about teenagers, why not foster younger children? My sister's intention was to foster toddlers - her first child was a 2 year old girl, then she had a 7 year old boy and her latest child is 11 or 12 (female) - older than she intended when she took the job on, but it was an emergency placement which has worked out fine and she is now keeping her long term.

    She also has three children of her own.
  • RevTimms
    RevTimms Posts: 54 Forumite
    libby, you have clearly had much sucess with your fostering, because as you say, you have to be laid back in your attitude, and hence not impose your values.
    I agree that there are very difficult moments, and we have had our fair share, but as you say, when they do their first piece of homework, they stay out of trouble, they choose to spend time with you and your family rather than the gang at the bus shelter, it makes it all worthwhile.
    As you say, you were laid back, and were flexible, which went contra to social worker advice not to change your lifestyle and expect them to fit in. That is what we did, as I do not like to push my morality, values and principles on anyone else.
    Margaret, you took the opposite view that the children should change for you. It really doesn't matter whether the SW told you to do this, or you did it yourself. You made that choice. It didn't work.
    Personally, even though I do not watch TV, I bought portable TVs for bedrooms. Just because I do not watch TV does not make it unacceptable. That is often all the escape some people have. Over time however, most children chose to spend time with the family rather than in their rooms. As I say, to get respect, you must first give it.
    To the OP, one of our most challenging girls was a young girl with a baby. She was 14 when she had the baby, and was struggling.
    We so enjoyed that baby and helping her. The baby was a little younger than our first grand daughter and my daughter, her husband and the girl still spend a lot of time together as they had similar age babies.
    The girl is now doing so well, having completed college and then on to a degree. I am so proud.
  • Oldernotwiser
    Oldernotwiser Posts: 37,425 Forumite
    There doesn't seem much point having advice from social workers and then ignoring it! In many cases, if you do that then the children may well not be allowed to stay anyway.

    To the original poster, I'd say not to expect much support from Social Services; in my experience, once the child is in a place of safety that's all that concerns them. I do understand the reasons for this and apologise to any social workers reading this but that was our experience. We had many difficulties with our foster son as did his school, but Social Services weren't interested unless you were at crisis point.

    I certainly wouldn't want to have done it with a young child of my own, the effect upon your own child could be very negative.
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