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Alliance & Leicester old tricks?

My daughter just had a really poor experience with A & L Moneyback Bank. First of all their online calculator misled her into believing the rate was 6.7% on the amount she wanted to borrow. She was asked to phone to confirm and spent her entire lunch on her mobile while their salesman tried to sell her protection insurance. He interrogated her about her finances, even asking whether she took a packed lunch to work and how many miles from the office she lived. She said she would protect her loan with one of the cheaper online alternatives, so he finally switched to try and sell her life assurance! He was personal and patronising and she felt very uncomfortable with his questionning. Eventually he agreed the loan and the papers duly arrived...at a rate of 11.4%! She declined the offer and they are currently 'investigating'. Just a warning guys!
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  • I'm sorry she had a bad experience-it can be a scary decision deciding whether to take a loan or not!

    In relation to the PPI-if the company sells a loan-you have to offer the customer PPI if it is recommended-it is an FSA regulation as you are offering to protect the customer (but I must stress this is only if the insurance is recommended based on what the cust tekks the adviser) and on the recommendation there are certain 'needs' that need to be highlighted to ensure the loan protection is sold compliantly. I had to sit through it all myself when I took my loan, and being on the other side being a seller as well, it is long winded but again-PPI is not mandatory to take, it is just mandatory to offer if there is an established need. No loan can be sold on the pretence that you will be declined if you dont take it, as this is simply not allowed in the industry and you would most certainly lose your job and the companies can lose their licence!
    Loan-£3600 only 24 months of payments to go!!!
    All debt consolodated and cards destroyed!!
    As D'Ream would sing 'Things.....can only get better'!!!
  • MarkyMarkD
    MarkyMarkD Posts: 9,912 Forumite
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    I don't see what bargainhound thinks A&L have to investigate.

    The "online calculator" merely shows the repayments due based on the "typical rate" of 6.7%. It doesn't say that any individual customer will necessarily get that rate.

    Once her application - over the phone - had been fully credit-scored, the rate for her loan was determined as 11.4%.

    That's how "pricing for risk", operated by almost every lender (apart from Nationwide who just reject lower credit-score customers instead), works.

    As Scousebird says, offering PPI is necessary, and it's correct practice to sell life assurance if the customer doesn't want the full PPI package.

    If you don't want to answer certain questions, just say "no". Nobody needs to stay on the phone for "a whole lunchtime". Just say "I don't need the cover because I have adequate cover elsewhere". End of story.
  • RDCM
    RDCM Posts: 17 Forumite
    I had a similar experience this week with "Moneyback Bank"/Alliance and Leicester. I applied for a loan online at 6.8% to reduce the payments on a loan I am currently paying off at 11.9%. Within minutes I had a phone call regarding my Alliance and Leicester enquiry asking me all of my details to confirm I was who I said I was, After a few minutes they stated sorry my application had been denied, however they were the "Unsecured Credit Company" and would be very keen to search a panel of lenders to find the best rate for me, before waffling on saying because I am a tenant I may be better having 2 :confused: Loans not one. I said no thanks I would find my own loan and I didn't believe thay would find a loan at the rate I was searching for.
    The next day I had a letter off Alliance and Leicester stating they had denied my appplication and forwarded my details to the said company. I believe that are advertising this low rate to attract people, then rejecting so this sister company can sell you a loan at a higher rate.

    It was annoying that I spent valuable time talking to this company who I initially believed to be Alliance and Leicester only to find out they were some panel searcher:mad:

    PS I applied for a Tesco Loan simultaneously at 6.8%, at the same time as the Alliance and Leicester letter dropped through the door. A Tesco letter arrived stating my application had been accepted :beer:
  • MarkyMarkD
    MarkyMarkD Posts: 9,912 Forumite
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    Perhaps if you bothered to read the application form you completed online, you would have noticed that it says:
    CUSTOMER DECLARATION

    Should your application be unsuccessful, we will pass these details to an alternative loan provider who will conduct a credit search with a credit reference agency to see whether they can find you an alternative loan. A referral is not an indication that a subsequent application for credit will be successful. If you do not wish us to pass your details to an alternative loan provider, please mark the box.

    If you do not want us to take this step, your application will be processed by us in the usual way and we will inform you of the result. If unsuccessful, your details will not be passed to an alternative loan provider.
    So, A&L provide the option to not have your details passed on to another provider. And the other provider stated they were calling about your A&L enquiry - which they were.

    A&L don't advertise misleading rates. As will all other providers, they have to accept 66% of loans at the displayed typical rate. The other 34% can be charged anything the provider wants. In fact, they didn't offer you a higher rate, anyway, they declined your application so you don't come into the 34% in any case.

    Well done on getting the bargain rate from Tesco, in any case. :beer:
  • My daughter just had a really poor experience with A & L Moneyback Bank. First of all their online calculator misled her into believing the rate was 6.7% on the amount she wanted to borrow. She was asked to phone to confirm and spent her entire lunch on her mobile while their salesman tried to sell her protection insurance. He interrogated her about her finances, even asking whether she took a packed lunch to work and how many miles from the office she lived. She said she would protect her loan with one of the cheaper online alternatives, so he finally switched to try and sell her life assurance! He was personal and patronising and she felt very uncomfortable with his questionning. Eventually he agreed the loan and the papers duly arrived...at a rate of 11.4%! She declined the offer and they are currently 'investigating'. Just a warning guys!


    I recently had a poor experience with Alliance & Leceister loan. Initially, the advisor was very pleasant and I explained that the loan was to assist with my wedding this year. After starting the application process and continuing onto the discussion regarding Payment Protection, life insurance etc the phone call deteriorated rapidly; I found the advisor very confrontational and pushy so much so that I ended the call. To make matters worse they sent me a letter the other day saying they were unable to offer me loan!!! This was after I asked not proceed so I am currently chasing this up.

    It has really put me off them and my partner successful appiled for a stress free loan with the Royal Bank of Scotland.
  • MarkyMarkD - I am asking A&L to investigate the rude and aggressive attitude of the sales person purporting to offer customer service. My understanding of credit scoring and rating offers is quite sound, thank you. My daughter was asked intrusive and personal questions. This is the first loan she has ever applied for and I simply wish to warn others of her experience so that they might be better prepared.

    Thanks to Scarybiscuits and RDCM for sharing and glad you managed to get your loans. My daughter was also quickly sorted by her own bank, Nationwide.
  • MarkyMarkD
    MarkyMarkD Posts: 9,912 Forumite
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    Thanks for the clarification.

    If a new MSE user comes onto the forums and says "things are being investigated", it is helpful if the cause of the complaint is clarified, as there were many things mentioned in your first post.

    I'm not sure why a salesperson would ask "even asking whether she took a packed lunch to work and how many miles from the office she lived" but if she gets upset by that sort of "personal" question, she needs to grow some thicker skin. I can't see what help those particular questions would be in assessing someone's need for PPI, but other questions relating to PPI will by necessity be personal - for example, asking whether you would be supported by a spouse or partner if you were unable to work.

    As I said before, all she needed to do was to say "I have already got all the cover I need elsewhere" and the topic would be closed. It might be more helpful for people to note that advice, than to read that your daughter was uncomfortable with the questions put to her and that "A&L are investigating" (some unknown topic).
  • I have to say I do not see why his daughter should have to 'grow some thicker skin'. She was a customer and should be be treated with some courtesy. When I phoned I did give the 'I already have this covered elesewhere' but the advisor would not let this point drop wanting to know every last detail and as I don't make loan applications everyday I am not used this sort of hard sales tactic especially when my partner received completely different treatment when he contacted the Royal Bank of Scotland.
  • Tassotti
    Tassotti Posts: 1,492 Forumite
    As a lender (maybe not in the league of A & L) I can quite understand

    As a borrower, you need to prove that you can pay it back

    In my company, I will tell you straight 'You aren't borrowing anything from me, unless you can prove you can pay it back'

    UNDERSTAND..
  • MarkyMarkD
    MarkyMarkD Posts: 9,912 Forumite
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    I have to say I do not see why his daughter should have to 'grow some thicker skin'. She was a customer and should be be treated with some courtesy. When I phoned I did give the 'I already have this covered elesewhere' but the advisor would not let this point drop wanting to know every last detail and as I don't make loan applications everyday I am not used this sort of hard sales tactic especially when my partner received completely different treatment when he contacted the Royal Bank of Scotland.
    Being asked personal questions, of relevance to your ability to repay the loan and/or your requirement (from a regulatory point of view) for insurance protection isn't discourteous. If people don't expect that sort of question, then I'm sorry, but it's normal practice.

    I would wholeheartedly agree that any customer should be treated courteously by any service provider. But I wouldn't agree that asking questions which they are required to ask is discourteous.

    Most call centre staff are trained to use specific questions as part of their induction and they are required to ask those questions. They are not designed to be intrusive - they are designed to ascertain the customer's ability to pay in all circumstances.
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