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home insurance -still being dim!

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Ok this home insurance lark has got me totally confused!

Working my way through things and the main questions asked... I am within 400m of water but I'm in a first floor flat, how do I work out what locks I have on my front door? I have a yale lock that locks automatically on shutting the door and also a normal key lock that appears to put 2 bolts across.. not sure what it is? should it say on it somewhere? On the windows all but one have locks unfortunately! One is a very old one that you use a lever to pull in and it clips up to shut, i can't get it changed as its a housing association property. Next I need to work out how much cover I need, what do I include in my calculations? I have a lot of "high risk equipment" but what else can be covered? I'm writing a list as we speak of items and values...

Man who fitted my washing machine today said I need cover for my washing machine should it flood and damage the flat below is that covered by contents or would that be something else?

Sorry for being so dim :o I never had to do this before and its stressing me out.

Thanks for your help.

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  • mattymoo
    mattymoo Posts: 2,417 Forumite
    On the locks, look at the bit where the bolts come out. Sounds like it is a mortice sash lock with a square bolt for deadlocking and a curved one for the handle. Have a look to see if it says "5 lever" and has a British Standard kitemark.

    If it says 2 lever or 3 lever, it will not meet insurers requirements.

    Contents cover will cover your liabilities if you damage a neighbours property, for instance, leaking washing machine or overflowing bath.

    Window locks - can usually be retrofitted fairly easy on timber framed windows. Wide variety of styles to choose from. Virtually impossible to retfrofit to UPVC windows.
    Metal framed windows can be done but only if you are comfortable with drilling and DIY.
  • Lisakx
    Lisakx Posts: 74 Forumite
    your right a square and a curved one, doesn't say anything on it though unfortunately. Can I get insured with the wrong locks? I'm not sure if I can get them changed its a housing association property...
  • mattymoo
    mattymoo Posts: 2,417 Forumite
    You can get insured with the wrong locks (if you lie) but then run the risk of having a theft claim turned down if the thieves enter through that door and the lock wasn't of the required standard.

    Couple of other things you can check though first.

    1) what kind of key do you have? Is it a "lever" key where you have a round barrel and then the lock differs on the end. The differs are the bit that turn the lock inside. Or is it a flat key similar to the one you use in your Yale latch?
    If it is the first, you have a lever sash lock which is the same as a lever mortice dead lock. If the latter, it is a cylinder operated sash lock and these are becoming more common now (people prefer the smaller keys).

    2) Next check the frame side of the door where the bolt work enters a hole in the frame. Is this covered with a flat metal plate or is it a metal plate with a metal box behind it? If the latter, that is called a box striking plate and they are normally fitted to locks that meet the British Standard.

    To give you an idea what I'm on about have a look at these sites.
    http://www.yalelock.com/Yale/Templates/HowToSecureHome____3345.aspx
    http://www.chubblocks.co.uk/secureproperty.html

    Insurers will normally ask for a 5 lever mortice dead lock. The 5 levers give the lock well in excess of 1000 key variations whereas 2 lever has about 20 variations. The 5 lever locks in conjunction with a box striking plate will hold against 1 tonne of force (although the door itself usually gives up before this).

    It is in the housing associations interests to improve the security so they should allow an upgrade. Approved locks can be purchased in sizes to suit all door types and are usually a direct replacement for the existing. There is a bit of chisseling involved though because of the extra thickness of the drill resisting side plates and the box striking plate in the frame. In Cambridgeshire for example, a locksmith would charge around £40-50 to fit plus the cost of the lock.
  • Lisakx
    Lisakx Posts: 74 Forumite
    Answer to question 1 is its similar to the yale one. 2 it has a plate and box behind. It is a mortice lock according to those websites. How do I tell the difference between the different lever numbers? key says f5 on if that has any bearing? the lock is ISEO the mortice bit says Legge...

    Thanks so much for your help!!
  • Lisakx
    Lisakx Posts: 74 Forumite
    It also looks as is I can fit key locking handles in exchange for the normal handles on the uPvc windows, lastly is the old stylee window which appears can have a lock fitted as well. So I can be secure if the lock is correct otherwise I will have the correct one fitted if the housing association won't pay. Thanks!!
  • mattymoo
    mattymoo Posts: 2,417 Forumite
    Legge Locks brochure for mortice locks is here http://www.irsecurityandsafety.co.uk/downloads/irah_newleverlocks.pdf but I cannot find a brochure for one with cylinder locks.

    You do have a cylinder key operated sash lock. ISEO make the cylinder mechanism that is then placed in a Legge lock casing.

    Only lever locks are certified and kitemarked to BS 3621.
    However, an insurer should accept it providing it has the box striking plate (it has) and anti saw tumbers in the lock bolt. These look like 2 circular pins when you look at the end of the bolt. If someone tries to saw the lock bolt, they rotate freely to prevent cutting.

    My old employer used to have a security clause as follows:-

    1) A 5 lever mortice dead lock or cylinder rim lock certified to BS:3621
    2) alternatively, a lock of equivalent strength to BS:3621.

    Yours would fit in under 2 above. But if the insurer insists on a 5 lever mdl to BS 3621 then it will not. Really that is the insurers fault for not wording their clauses correctly.

    As for UPVC locks, I tend to avoid if possible. They are a nightmare to work on and beyond the scope of DIY imho.
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