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OFT v Bank Court Case updates
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This is a new thread for the updates only regarding the OFT case, please put any questions you may have regarding your particular claim and the test case in this thread.
Martin and Oystar feature in this article here...
Banks blame OFT for 'torrent of refund claims' (17th January 2008)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2008/jan/17/bankcharges.banks
The following are a few links from the BBC news website:
Bank charges court test delayed (15th January 2008)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7190215.stm
Barclays begins charges defence (22nd January 2008)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7201952.stm
OFT's bank charges case 'flawed' (24th January 2008)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7206447.stm
OFT accuses banks over charges (29th January 2008)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7214814.stm
Banks 'try to dodge regulations' (30th January 2008)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7218582.stm
Banks' 'self-serving propaganda' (31st January 2008)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7220805.stm
Bank claims may resume in courts (5th February 2008)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7229085.stm
Bank charge cases 'need freezing' (6th February 2008)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7230466.stm
Judge mulls bank fees case ruling (8th February 2008)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7234824.stm
Martin and Oystar feature in this article here...
Banks blame OFT for 'torrent of refund claims' (17th January 2008)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2008/jan/17/bankcharges.banks
The following are a few links from the BBC news website:
Bank charges court test delayed (15th January 2008)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7190215.stm
Barclays begins charges defence (22nd January 2008)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7201952.stm
OFT's bank charges case 'flawed' (24th January 2008)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7206447.stm
OFT accuses banks over charges (29th January 2008)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7214814.stm
Banks 'try to dodge regulations' (30th January 2008)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7218582.stm
Banks' 'self-serving propaganda' (31st January 2008)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7220805.stm
Bank claims may resume in courts (5th February 2008)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7229085.stm
Bank charge cases 'need freezing' (6th February 2008)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7230466.stm
Judge mulls bank fees case ruling (8th February 2008)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7234824.stm
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Good timing by Martin and Oystar.
In at number 25 in the charts, with "I fought the Lloyds".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/singles.shtml0 -
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The OFT has just issued this press release on its website -
The OFT's test case on unauthorised bank default charges will commence on Thursday 17 January at 10.30 at the International Dispute Resolution Centre.
The OFT has published more information about the case and has a website section that explains more about the work on bank personal current accounts.0 -
mystic_trev wrote: »It looks like the case is hardly a 'level' playing field!
I read the article here:
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/money/consumer_affairs/article3182120.ece
about the amount of money the banks have spent on their legal team. It shows they must be somewhat concerned though.
Let's hope the OFT and their legal team (Brian Doctor QC and three junior barristers) have done their homework and can get through the first stage of the case and convince the judge that the regulations apply.0 -
Current account customers like the present system of charges under which they only pay when they are in the red, the High Court was told.
Laurence Rabinowitz QC was defending the Royal Bank of Scotland, one of eight lenders accused of levying unfair overdraft charges.
The Office of Fair Trading (OFT) wants the court to rule that it can challenge the firms' fees under consumer law. Mr Rabinowitz said the alternative would be to charge on all transactions.
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7196736.stm
Not my opinion, just updating the thread!0 -
You can listen to Martin discuss the test case on It Pays To Watch More here...
http://www.itpaystowatch.co.uk/0 -
the bbc website is doing a fair job in reporting on this, see:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7201952.stm
also see the link on the left of that page for recent related reports.
Does anyone else feel nervous at the enormity of this case and the dissapointment if it goes wrong? Do you think the OFT would be interested in using the collective brain and research power of consumers if called upon to help them? As they say, 2 heads are better than one...... but millions of hopeful moneysavers are like ravenous werewolves.... I'm sure they dont but just a thought.
Seems strange for barclays to argue these fees are for a service, yet they refunded £80 odd million... They arent that customer-centric to refund such a huge amount of money out of "goodwill" unless they felt guilty about something...
Who's running a book on whether we get a final decision in 2008 or not?!!Sorry but please keep your signature to 4 lines in length - MSE Forum Team 20 -
The story so far for those who don't know.The Office of Fair Trading's arguments on bank charges have "several flaws", the High Court has been told. Mr Geoffrey Vos QC was defending Nationwide, one of eight lenders who have been accused of levying unfair overdraft charges. The OFT wants the court to rule it can decide the banks' charges are unfair under consumer contract regulations. Mr Vos said the building society supported the banks' belief that the rules did not cover their contracts. Nationwide and the seven banks agreed to the test case to clarify their legal position after a mass of litigation, which has seen hundreds of thousands of consumers claim refunds totalling hundreds of millions of pounds. Fundamental feature Mr Vos was addressing the court on the sixth day of the hearing. The barrister told the judge, Mr Justice Andrew Smith, that overdrafts were a fundamental feature of current accounts. Mr Vos said bank customers across the country drew on their unauthorised overdrafts to the tune of £600m a day, and this was part of the standard service used by millions of people every year. He said the fact that a huge number of customers went into the red meant that charges for overdrafts were not an aberration, or for an ancillary service as the OFT had claimed. The arguments put forward by the OFT, he argued, had "several flaws". He went on to set out the specific circumstances of Nationwide current accounts. He said the building society believed there were different contractual positions for customers in credit and those in the red. "It follows, as night follows day, that the debit customers regard their overdraft as the main part of the service," he added. This is the crux of the legal argument. A central part of the banks' defence is that the regulations on unfair terms in consumer contracts cannot be applied to the main or core part of a contract with a customer. Mr Vos also denied another line of attack put forward by the OFT. The regulator believes that as well as breaching the 1999 consumer contract regulations, overdraft charges are also unfair penalties under common law. "The penalty doctrine cannot apply as there is no breach in our contract," he said. 'Googly' At this point, Mr Brian Doctor QC, acting for the OFT, read out a clause from an explanatory leaflet published by Nationwide. This said precisely the opposite - that customers who went overdrawn were indeed in breach of their contracts. Mr Vos admitted this was a "googly" and one of the OFT's "best forensic points". But he dismissed the issue by saying that the leaflet Mr Doctor quoted was simply wrong. Further criticism of the OFT came from Mr Bankim Thanki QC, representing Lloyds TSB, the UK's largest current account provider. He said the OFT was "wrong" to say that the provision of unauthorised overdrafts did not constitute a service. "The service requires extra work with an infrastructure in place, including communicating with the customer," he added. Mr Thanki also denied that Lloyds TSB's terms and conditions could be construed as imposing an unfair penalty charge for any breach of contract. He said the terms and conditions contained "no suggestion of a levy on the customers for breaching obligations". 'Enormous burden' The OFT is now expected to start outlining its case next Tuesday. It seems certain that the case will last for at least a further two weeks once the banks have been given the opportunity to reply. The case had originally been scheduled for eight days. Earlier this week, the judge commented on the scale of material under consideration, describing the volume of evidence submitted as an "enormous burden". The outcome of the long-awaited court case could bring a significant change to the UK current account market. If the OFT argument is upheld, it could mean banks and building societies having to return billions of pounds collected from customers over the past six years. However, the losing side is expected to appeal, possibly all the way to the House of Lords, meaning the issue may not be resolved until next year
Direct link:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7206447.stm0 -
a11waysindebt wrote: »The story so far for those who don't know...
Thanks for the update, however please do not quote verbatim from other sites without at least crediting the source, see the rule on Copyright below:
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.html?p=1009323&postcount=9
I guess your text came from here, so it's only fair to provide the link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7206447.stm0
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