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Hello everybody. This question might be of use to many people receiving means-tested benefits ( income support in my case ) and who will be doing so for the forseeable future.

My parents are concerned about the best way of leaving me an inheritance. They are concerned about
what happens if I inherit about £75000, which also happens to be the mortgage I currently have, interest being paid by social security?

Could I use this to pay off my mortgage?

Would the SS then treat me as having spent a load of money that I should still own?

Could I just sign off, blow the money, and sign on again a few months later, still with the mortgage?

I`ve looked hard on the DWP website and can find nothing especially relevant. Any ideas anyone?
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  • Some time ago I wanted to give advice to a disabled claimant who had received a lump sum from a compensation claim and was concerned about the effect of spending this money with regard to the deprivation of capital rules. I wrote to the DWP and the reply I received is available here.
    Deprivation of Capital
    Could I use this to pay off my mortgage?  

    No because as far as the DWP are concerned you should only redeem debts that you are legally required to redeem otherwise you should only pay the minimum monthly payment as required paying more that the minimum required on a credit or store card debt would be regarded as "deprivation of capital"
    Would the SS then treat me as having spent a load of money that I should still own?

    Yes if they decide that you have intentionally spent money with the purpose of taking advantage of the benefit system then your benefit would be reduced. They have a system for reducing the capital at a rate commensurate with your benefit entitlement so a lump sum of £75000 would keep you off full benefit for ages.

    If the money you inherit was paid by your their solicitor directly to the mortgage provider and you didn't have any choice in the matter then that would be a different matter. The DWP would then simply cease payment of the interest payments and your benefit would continue as before. The amount of savings or capital you are allowed to have and still get full benefit is in the back of the guide Social security benefit rates (GL23)

    You are allowed to have tangible assets, so the gift of a car or caravan wouldn't have to be declared but if you were given the money to buy these items and the money appeared on your bank statement then the DWP would decide, even if the money was given for that specific purpose that it was for the period it was in your control actually your money and your first priority is to get yourself off benefit so if you spend it as directed by the giver, you would be in trouble. It might be different if you were disabled and the money was for an aid or treatment not available on the NHS. In these circumstances you could plead that healthwise you had no choice. One case where a claimant with Seasonal Affective Disorder, took herself of to Over-Winter in a sunnier climate and found this wasn't regarded as medically necessary but Intentional Deprivation so a bad situation was made worse.
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  • Many many thanks for that, Ted.

    It`s a bit of a problem from every angle - financial, moral, ethical and legal.

    Me and my parents will have to give this some serious thought. Ouch.
  • I have modified my previous post as  once the money is in your solicitors hands it would be in your control and he would be acting in your place.

    If they arranged with their executors certain actions regarding the distribution of their estate then that wouldn't be in your control and therefore you couldn't be held to be seeking to gain from the benefit system.  I think however you should get legal advice about the situation if you were acting as their executors. As you're on Income Support you could Call 0845 345 4 345 for legal help and advice for free, weekdays 9-5.
    See CLSDIRECT

    It would be of interest to others if the results of your legal consultations were posted back here for future reference.
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  • Thanks again, Ted.

    I get the general picture. In fact my parents` estate will be very simple and there would be no particular need for me to be an executor.

    However, they would prefer that I did in fact have responsibility for processing their estate. As you suggest, I should take take legal advice on this; If they specify where the money should go,  I suspect it will hinge on the legally required duties of an executor and if he can change where the money goes when it is still going for the benefit of same person i.e. himself. Is the executor ever the beneficial owner in these circumstances?

    I would like to think that it is possible for them to make it a requirement that the money is to be paid to a particular recipient i.e. the mortgage bank, bypassing me completely. In fact I think this is quite common, irrespective of the executors` status, on the basis that he is only carrying out his resposibilities.
    Now, if there were two executors (myself and a solicitor, for example, that should change the equation significantly).

    All this must surely have cropped up many many times in the past. I`m surprised there doesn`t seem to be a well-trodden path of how it is dealt with.

    I will let everyone know what the legal people have to say.
  • Fran
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    Yes it would be interesting to see what the legal situation is. Of course if the house was sold while you are on benefits, you would then have capital and not be elligible for any of the means tested benefits. It would depend why you are on benefits and how long you might be on them, for instance if you are on Income Support because you care for children and when they get older you are no longer entitled to IS but have to claim Jobseekers Allowance, would the situation be exactly the same? Or if you are on Income Support because of illness because you are not entitled to Incapacity Benefit, again is this likely to be an on-going situation and what would the consequence be in the future? It seems like an awkward situation where if you sold the house you would never get anything from the money if you were on benefits at that time. You could try to find out more information about "gifts" and capital and what is allowable. Ted has already mentioned a car and caravan as being allowable (as long as you don't actually receive the cash to buy them), you might be better off receiving gifts such as these than having all the eggs in one basket so to speak if you are likely to be relying on benefits long term.
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  • Hello Fran, and thanks for your input. In fact I am on DLA and all the IS it is possible to have along with it. This will be permanent.

    A car and a caravan? £75000? Difficult.
    How about living by the sea or near a river and getting a yacht or a cabin cruiser? There are places where such transport would be the most practical.

    I`ve heard of dafter things.
  • Fran
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    Hi babyling,

    As you are on DLA, perhaps you have a local help centre that could also advise you or one of the national organizations relating to your disability?

    Hope you get something sorted out, it seems like a complicated one!
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  • Thinking about this some more, maybe it`s not complicated at all:

    If my parents were alive and paid off my mortgage directly to the bank there would be no particular comeback i.e. them paying the bank is not a problem by itself;

    If, after death, they used a different executor and the money never touched me, there would also be no comeback i.e. paying the bank is still not a problem, and the executor cannot send me the money first because he must obey the will to the letter as long as it is legal to do so;

    So, if I am executor I am also legally required to pay the bank in my role as executor. As executor, the money is not mine, just as it would not belong to any other executor.

    I will check up on this, but I betcha betcha this is right.
  • dag_2
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    Gaah - this is the first I've ever heard of "intentional deprivation" - I think that stinks. :(

    To my way of thinking, it's perfectly reasonable to pay off a mortgage in full if you get an inheritance, so you don't keep paying the interest. Normally, the equity in your home is not counted for the purposes of means-tested benefits, but I guess the "intentional deprivation" rule means they can make exceptions.

    How often are the "intentional deprivation" rules enforced? I bet it doesn't happen often. Otherwise, you'd read about it in the papers more.

    I'd say pay off the mortgage anyway. If the DSS throw the "intentional deprivation" rules at you, then remortgage again - I think you're very unlikely to end up worse off than you are now.

    Be a bit more cautious if you have to pay an early redemption penalty to clear the mortgage.
    :p
  • Fran
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    dag,

    I don't think it's helpful to throw in a comment like "pay off the mortgage anyway" without going into the details of the implications of this action, which is what Ted has done in his posts.
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