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Big help required!!!

Hi

My wife and I find ourselves swimming in a river of debt at the moment - we owe £170k on the mortgage of a house that is valued at around 195k. However, we also have 2 secured loans with Firstplus and Welcome totalling about 85k and some credit cards with another 17k of balance owing on them.
We have virtually kept up on payments but failed our mortgage this month (we did tell Halifax in advance of this) and failed Firstplus for the first time in three years too!

We had hoped to get out of this hole - we put our house on the market early this year with the thought of downsizing and my wife increased her hours as our daughter is soon to be starting school. The dream was that increased income coupled with lower mortgage payments would help us reduce the debt. How naive we were!!!
Unfortunately, the increase in her pay has pretty much been eaten up by rising interest rates on all three charges. The house sale never happened either - the mortgage advisor said we could not sell because of the negative equity, the worst case scenario he had seen in his 20 years of working apparently!! Effectively, we have been told that we are trapped in this property as a) we certainly can't get a fresh mortgage and b) we have not got enough to pay all the charges on the house.

As we are leaking money so quickly, We decided the time had come for some expert help and went to the CAB. We have had 3 appointments so far.

The first visit was a premilinary interview which we both attended and we was given a budget plan to fill out which confirmed total loss of about £600 a month (or minus £200 a month disposable if you remove the credit cards).

However, the next two visits confused us somewhat as we were advised differently on each occasion on what is best to do.

The first chat my wife attended (I had work commitments) - the lady she saw seemed to give some hope. She suggested a pro-rata payment scheme could be operated to our creditors(apparently not an IVA). She said that this would also include the secured loan creditors. My wife queried if this was definitely the case and was told that definitely it would be. On asking on the implications however, the lady went to check with her supervisor and told my wife that we would have to cut up our credit cards (which is fine) but we would never ever be able to get credit again!! This again would be fair enough if we do want to be debt-free wannabes but we was a little worried if this included future mortgage applications etc... The word 'forever' surprised us too - we thought even the worst case scenarios were removed after 6 or 10 years. At the end of the interview, an appointment was booked so that I could come at a convenient time - and armed with statements/secure loan agreements etc.

When I went for the second chat (me alone this time), it was unfortunately with someone different so no real continuity on either side. He filled me more with an impending sense of gloom. He went through all the figures again mentioning that an offer could be made to all the creditors. However, he categorically ruled out any of the secured debt being involved and wasn't interested in seeing any of the secure agreements. As our disposable income was worked out as minus £200, he said we could really only offer £1 a month to all our unsecured creditors as a token offering with our budget plan as back-up evidence. He mentioned they 'might accept it but might choose to go through the courts' but didn't go into any real depth. He has given us a bit of paper that we need to sign to start proceedings.

I have a couple of questions on all the above that hopefully this great community can help with:

1) Which of the two CAB advisors painted a more accurate picture/solution?

2) Are credit card/store card companies really going to accept a temporary offer of £1 a month or will they take it further? We are a bit nervous to sign the authority to begin proceedings.

3) My wife's pay is likely to go up again soon as she is going to change from three days a week to full time. This would actually give us a positive 'disposable income' of two or three hundred pounds. When I mentioned this to the man at the CAB, he seemed keen to still send out the £1 letters now and then send new offers as and when the pay increases. I'm worried though the initial £1 offer will look too derisory and would it be better to delay until we have something better to offer as an opening offer?

4) Can credit really be affected 'forever'. Would this include mortgages?

I didn't give a background of how we got in this mess as I think that would have made the post far too long (it's long enough as it is!) but on the whole it is down to bad timings, naivety, silly consolidations, a fair bit of bad luck and unfortunately too much pride maybe to ask for help sooner.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. If anyone could tell me that it wasn't a completely hopeless situation, that would be good too!!

Many thanks
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  • Hi welcome to this forum. I am quite new so cannot offer any advice but there are some really knowledgeable people here whom Im sure will offer some good advice. You might be best to post your SOA as they can probably help you shave some money off your outgoings.

    Good luck and keep posting it really does help!:rotfl:
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  • Conor_3
    Conor_3 Posts: 6,944 Forumite
    To answer your questions...

    1) Both. Both scenarios are equally likely although I'd favour the second.

    2) They'll moan about it, send letters and phone you. They're more likely to accept it if they think it's going to be a short term measure.

    3) No, the advice given was correct. Until the work materialises, there's no guarantee what the income is going to be.

    4) Yes. Basically your credit is stuffed up to 7 years after the final default or lower payment. If you never recover and end up paying short of the original agreement each month, your credit will be stuffed whilst you continue to pay the reduced amounts. If they continue adding interest, as they're entitled to, this means it can go on forever. That is why many people bank. "Worst case scenarios" are removed after 6 years but that's only because the people have declared, been declared, or done an IVA.

    Sadly there's not really any massively good news. Technically, you're bankrupt. You can't apply for an IVA if you have no disposible income after paying the mortgage, not including your debts, and CCCS etc can't set up a DMP if there's nothing to pay it with.

    HOWEVER if there's a cast iron guarantee that the extra income is there in the next few months, pay the mortgage and make token payments to the rest. Your credit will get a good hammering but if you can start making repayments again in a few months, it won't be that bad.

    Just a warning to let you know that the creditors are under no obligation to accept any offers made by the CAB or CCCS nor are they obliged to freeze any interest on the outstanding amounts.
  • TheAble
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    Can I ask where all the money went? Has it gone into any assets which you could sell to release cash?
  • N79
    N79 Posts: 2,615 Forumite
    I'm not recommending it, but please don't dismiss bankruptcy as one of your options, especially if the extra income your wife is hoping for does not happen and if you have no assets other than the house to sell. Wishing you all the best in solving your problems.

    N79
  • fermi
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    lotty41 wrote: »
    Hi, this is my first time on this site and having trouble finding out how it all works. Im not use to computers at all and not sure if I have posted this message to the right place!!:confused:

    It would be much better if you posted your own thread on the forum. :)

    Go to here: http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/forumdisplay.html?f=76

    and click on the newthread.gif button a little way down on the left.

    That way you will get advice just for your problem.
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  • lotty41
    lotty41 Posts: 198 Forumite
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    Thankyou, I'll do that.;)
    larry47
  • Rosey321 wrote: »
    we owe £170k on the mortgage of a house that is valued at around 195k. However, we also have 2 secured loans with Firstplus and Welcome totalling about 85k and some credit cards with another 17k of balance owing on them.

    Do you mind me asking how you managed to borrow a lot more than your equity?

    Did you get the secured loans when there was a lot more equity in the house?
  • Thanks for all advice so far – it has been very helpful.

    I’ve just logged in quickly at work so haven’t got time to elaborate at the moment but will post a more in depth response later, complete with an SOA.

    To quickly answer the posts so far:

    Assetwise, we don’t really have anything of value to sell either. Our highest value items would be our 2 cars (list value at the time was 7k and 12k) which are both necessary for our work – each of these is now four years old and I dare say they have both depreciated in value somewhat now too! Otherwise, we have nothing extravagant to declare. On the whole, I think ‘snowballing debt’ would be the best way to describe the situation!

    Borrowingwise, Firstplus gave us 125% LTV at a push – when our credit was much better too. It went via their underwriters but went through in the end. I have no idea how Welcome approved ours as we was deeply in trouble when we approached them and already in negative equity! We was silly to go to them to be honest – this was the point we really should have got help instead of looking to consolidate again. How they approved however is still beyond me as it was done with no hassles/underwriters or any delays!

    As I said, will post more in detail later. Any more opinions in the meantime would be great as well however.

    Thanks again.
  • I would be very interested in how Welcome approved the loan, as this has got to be mis-selling.

    I'm not aware of any situation where you should be able to get a secured loan when you are already in negative equity.

    Hopefully someone else here may know a bit more about the details of this, you could also (I sound like an advert for this place but is really is very good) post on the consumeractiongroup forums as there are people there well versed in consumer credit law. (Not to say there aren't here of course!)

    Personally I would be checking this out to see if they broke any regulations/laws in giving you the loan and it would be good to get as many people's opinions as possible.

    And of course, also post your SOA when you get a chance so we can try and help you improve it.
  • Conor wrote: »
    Sadly there's not really any massively good news. Technically, you're bankrupt. You can't apply for an IVA if you have no disposible income after paying the mortgage, not including your debts, and CCCS etc can't set up a DMP if there's nothing to pay it with.

    I'm afraid in your case I agree with Conor,if there is no disposable income,there is no way of repaying the debts.
    Are you getting the best deals on car/life/house insurance? have you switched energy suppliers? do you shop wisely? all little things that could give you some extra money and turn your situation around.
    Good luck
    LIH
    Debt at highest £102k :eek:
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