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Halifax Gauranteed Growth Bond

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http://www.halifax.co.uk/investments/guaranteedgrowthbond.asp

Am considering putting ~£10k into it, but it seems a bit good to be true, is there any catch I'm not aware of? Does anyone know what will happen to the money after the first year? Will it stay in the account and not accumulate any money or will it be transferred straight into my Halifax savings account? Thanks
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  • Paul_Herring
    Paul_Herring Posts: 7,484 Forumite
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    This looks suspiciously similar, but not identical, to a Guaranteed Equity Bond. (See here for why GEB's are bad.)
    Am considering putting ~£10k into it, but it seems a bit good to be true, is there any catch I'm not aware of?
    The catch is the hidden fee - the 'interest rate' for the product should be higher given what they're doing with your money.
    Does anyone know what will happen to the money after the first year? Will it stay in the account and not accumulate any money or will it be transferred straight into my Halifax savings account?
    It's mentioned on their site : What happens when my Guaranteed Growth Bond matures?
    Halifax wrote:
    Approximately 6 weeks before your Guaranteed Growth Bond matures we will write to you to tell you about the re-investment choices that are available to you so you'll have plenty of time to decide how to make the most of your money. As soon as reasonably possible after the bond has ended we will pay you the amount of your original investment, together with any Early Investment Payment, increased by the fixed return.
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  • nrsql
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    It seems to give 5.08% after (basic rate) tax. That looks pretty good for a tax payer for a one year invstment if an ISA has already been taken out. Min £5000

    They will offer a rollover bond which you can invest in - at this time that is less interest than the one new investers can get though as this carries a bonus.

    NS&I do RPI linked certificates which are currently +1.35% = 6.15% tax free per annum min term 3 years but min amount £100. I think if you redeem after the first year you get RPI+1.1% = 5.91% and looks like it is still tax free.
  • nrsql
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    >> The catch is the hidden fee - the 'interest rate' for the product should be higher given what they're doing with your money.

    It's like a swap. The loss in growth is compensated by the lower risk. It's not a catch it's just a decision about what you thnk is going to happen to markets.
  • blizeH
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    Hmm, I'm a little bit confused by this, sorry for asking a silly question guys, but since it says it's a Gaurenteed Growth Bond, does that not mean there's a 100% chance this time next year I'll have an extra 5.08% on my initial investment? I already have a Cash ISA maxed out for this year so I just thought 5.08% would be about as high as I could possibly get after tax.
  • Paul_Herring
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    blizeH wrote: »
    Hmm, I'm a little bit confused by this, sorry for asking a silly question guys,
    It's not a silly question - we're just looking at this from a slightly different perspective - we know (or at least suspect) what the banks are doing with your money to get the guarantee.
    but since it says it's a Gaurenteed Growth Bond, does that not mean there's a 100% chance this time next year I'll have an extra 5.08% on my initial investment?
    Yes - that's what it means.
    I already have a Cash ISA maxed out for this year so I just thought 5.08% would be about as high as I could possibly get after tax.
    There are other tax-free options that you may be unaware of.

    http://www.nsandi.com/products/ilsc/index.jsp - Indexed linked savings certificates - currently up to 6.15% tax free (equivilant to 7.68% for basic rate payers - compared to 5.08% to your bond) - can invest up to £15,000 over 3 or 5 years.

    http://www.nsandi.com/products/fisc/index.jsp - Fixed iterest savings certificates (not as comparable sadly.)

    And there's premium bonds, which are more of a gamble, but are OK as a part of a portfolio, but not as the only way of saving. More favourable if you're a higher rate tax payer however.

    Have you considered investment (as opposed to saving in cash)?
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  • blizeH
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    Thanks for the great reply, I'm not sure what the best thing to do is really, I've basically got about ~£20k spare cash, so as going to put £10k into Premium Bonds and £10k into an account like this and just put the rest into one of my savings accounts.

    That first NS&I link looks good, but it says up to 6.15%, does that mean there's a good chance I might get 0% interest return?
  • Paul_Herring
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    blizeH wrote: »
    That first NS&I link looks good, but it says up to 6.15%, does that mean there's a good chance I might get 0% interest return?
    No. There's the vague (if somewhat improbable) chance that you may get no return, but that would mean that the country is in recession ;)

    To reply to what you're trying to ask - no. The way the first product linked (Indexed linked savings certificates) works is, they look at the Retail Price Index (RPI - currently 4.80%) and add a fixed percentage of 1.35% (for the current issue) during the term.

    This means, that regardless of what happens to the RPI, your deposit will always increase 1.35% more.

    The catch, however, is that if the RPI changes during the 3 or 5 year period, so does your interest rate. If the RPI goes up to 5.00%, you'll get 6.35%. If the RPI goes down to 4.00%, you'll get 5.35%. In addition, if you cash in early, you won't get the full benifit either.

    The other potential 'catch' is how well you beleive the RPI reflects inflation as it applies/means to you.

    All returns are tax free.
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  • nrsql
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    Have a look at my first post. According to the t's and c's you can redeem after a year and still get a good tax free return. You might consider doing that if the RPI drops.
  • Banker54
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    I know a little bit about this, apparently the advisers investing money in this dont earn (or earn a lot less) commision on it. Its a hook to get customers in so they can try and get money invested in other products. The other products have the potential to earn much more interest but the risk is higher, just stick to your guns, if its what you want then make sure thats where your money goes.
  • dunstonh
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    I know a little bit about this, apparently the advisers investing money in this dont earn (or earn a lot less) commision on it.

    I dont believe Halifax sales reps earn any commission as such. Its target/bonus related. At least that is the norm with most of the banks. However, different products do typically have more credit towards targets than others.

    That said, if the product is good, it doesnt matter what someone earns out of it. What matters is what you pay and what it can do for you.
    I am an Independent Financial Adviser (IFA). The comments I make are just my opinion and are for discussion purposes only. They are not financial advice and you should not treat them as such. If you feel an area discussed may be relevant to you, then please seek advice from an Independent Financial Adviser local to you.
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