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Former_MSE_Dan
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Extra Note - We have had lots of comments about what is and isn't included as a MEAF. The article has been updated to include the following text:
What a MEAF isn't.... don't get it confused
This is a strict ruling and only applies to exit fees. Application fees and others that are paid when originally getting the mortgage aren't included.
Also while MEAFs sound similar to ‘early repayment fees', commonly known as 'redemption penalties' again they're not the same thing. Early repayment fees are charged if you repay or switch mortgage during a special deal, such as a fixed or discount rate (see the Mortgage Guide / Remortgage Guide for details) whereas exit fees apply at all times.
For full details, see the Mortgage Fees Reclaiming article.
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Thanks. I was waiting for this to be published. Guess its time to dig out the old paperwork and see if Halifax owe me any money!
Fyi the links at the end of that article are not working and neither are the links to the sample letters.0 -
Everything should be working now - been a rush jobMartin Lewis, Money Saving Expert.
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Martin's proforma letter is rubbish.
The "quote" from the FSA advice:Martin wrote:if a past customer who has paid a higher MEAF to exit complains, he or she can expect a refund of the difference between the actual MEAF paid on exit and the original MEAFFSA wrote:So, for example, if a firm will only charge its current customers the original MEAF, then if a past customer who has paid a higher MEAF to exit complains, he or she can expect a refund of the difference between the actual MEAF paid on exit and the original MEAF.
What the FSA are saying is that if a lender states that it will only charge its current customers the original MEAF, they can only charge customers who have already redeemed their original MEAF. If they decide, instead, to charge their current customers their original MEAF plus RPI, for example, there's nothing (necessarily) wrong with that and to mis-quote a part of the FSA's advice is simply wrong.
There is no real point writing to lenders to complain until they have declared, by 28 Feb 2007 as required by the FSA, how they are going to deal with current customers. This same treatment will then apply to customers who have already redeemed, who will then be able to complain in an informed manner.
Writing incorrect complaint letters now, based on incorrect advice, is simply a waste of everyone's time.
Is it really worthwhile to write now, rather than in (at the very most) 29 days' time when you will be able to ask for the right amount in compensation?0 -
Thanks MarkyMark. Always nice to have your work slated in that style!
Actually the article does caution that waiting is a good option, yet I've been swamped with demand to do this now and would prefer to provide decent guidance on that. However your claim that I'm misquoting the FSA's advice isn't correct. The whole point here is the expectation from both the FSA and the CML is that the vast majority of lenders will revert to the old fee (possibly with RPI, but that in many cases is an almost negligible amount compared to the fee increases we've seen)
If you would like to hear the analysis from the horses mouth, please listen to this interview BBC Radio 4's Moneybox in which the FSA states the facts (i've also added it to the article as I think its very useful)
martinMartin Lewis, Money Saving Expert.
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does this include the ridiculous arrangement fees when you remortgage with the same company?"Sumptus censum ne superet"
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Yeah..whatever :rolleyes:0 -
Hi :wave: :wave: - obviously this is my first post on the forums so hi to all - have been watching with interest for a while though.
my questions is do these new rules affect mortgage redemption charges - I never understood why I had to pay it at the time but with the pressure of moving house etc just assumed it was part of the process.??
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IClaudius wrote:does this include the ridiculous arrangement fees when you remortgage with the same company?
obviously not, they are there detailed at the outset and it's your choice whether to pay them or look elsewhere.I am a Mortgage AdviserYou should note that this site doesn't check my status as a Mortgage Adviser, so you need to take my word for it.This signature is here as I follow MSE's Mortgage Adviser code of conduct. Any posts on here are for information and discussion purposes only and shouldn't be seen as financial advice.0 -
No sadly it doesn't include them (that's in the article,, but judging from the questions i need to make it more explicit)
martinMartin Lewis, Money Saving Expert.
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Martin
I always think you should credit some of the people on the forums who have already 'blazed a trail' with respect to this. My first experience was over a year ago with A&L who had put their charge up from 150 to 295 during the 2 years I was locked in. I got a refund as reported on the threads but with help I think from lisy_loo (I think) who was probably the first - plus I seem to remember there was a reference to a newspaper article with a standard letter.
MichaelI think....0 -
I'm still trying to get my head around this one. Please you can advise me as to whether this includes claiming for an Early Repayment Charge?
In April 2002 I had a mortgage with Cheltenham & Gloucester (named sub account 1) and a home improvement loan (named sub account 2). After coming into some inheritance, we paid off our sub account 1 (main mortgage). We were however charged £2,196.27 as an 'Early Repayment Charge' plus £1,647.33 in interest, even though we still had the second sub account running with them.
In C&G's mortgage handbook, it didn't state an exact amount - it reads "Any early repayment charge (sometimes referred to as early redemption charge) helps cover our costs if you end or change the agreement, or you repay all or a significant part of the outstanding balance, during the early years of the loan)"
I can't see that it needs over two thousand pounds to cover their costs, but some advice as to whether you think we could attempt to claim any/all of this back, would be greatly appreciated.
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