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Returning a car to FORD

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Hi all,

My friend (And I do me my friend) just purchased a 2002 Ford Fiesta 1.4 zetec for £5000 from Ford and because his credit rating is so bad he is paying £9000 total after 4 years.

Personally I think that’s a rip of and he went against my opinion and bought the thing today without test driving it. This was at 1800 hours. I asked for a contract that my friend signed for the credit agreement but the Ford dealer refused to give one, stating that the loan company will send one in the post.

When he got it home, we went for a drive. I discovered two things during this little horror ride.

1) My friend is 6.4” tall and thus has difficulty with the peddles (mainl the break)
2) Something is wrong with the car as it sounds like its in 2nd gear when doing 70mph even though I switched the engine off.

My friend wants to return the car. Is this possible as it was from a main Ford dealer?


My friend did not put down any deposit and his credit rating already sucks.

I suggested leaving it on the Ford forecourt, dropping off the keys with a “nice but no thanks note” and walking away.

Is there a more civilised route??

Any advice welcome

Thanks

G.l
Keep smiling, G.
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  • tom188
    tom188 Posts: 2,330 Forumite
    Unless there is a cancellation clause for the finance or there is something materially wrong with the car i think the answer will be no he is stuck with the car and will also be liable for the entire finance package. Caveat emptor.
  • NiceGuyG
    NiceGuyG Posts: 189 Forumite
    but he was not given a contract
    Keep smiling, G.
  • NiceGuyG
    NiceGuyG Posts: 189 Forumite
    I thought you had a 14 day cool off period
    Keep smiling, G.
  • NiceGuyG ~~ basically tom188 is correct. However a couple of things maybe in your friends favour. He SHOULD have been given a copy of the agreement to take away with him.
    Plus if he bought it at 1800 hours (afterr normal office hours) then he may be in luck with the following (copy and paste from the Trading Standards Website - see full info here >>http://www.tradingstandards.gov.uk/cgi-bin/calitem.cgi?file=ADV0011-1011.txt

    Can you cancel your credit agreement?

    Signed on trade premises
    Credit agreements signed at the trader's premises are not cancellable once both you and the finance company have signed the documents. At this stage they become legally binding on both parties.
    You may, however, have a very short window of opportunity to withdraw from the deal if the lender has not yet signed their part of the agreement. In these circumstances, you should telephone the lender immediately to establish whether the agreement has been signed. If not, inform the lender you wish to withdraw. Make a note of what was said and the name of the person you spoke to. You should then confirm your withdrawal in a letter. Send it by recorded delivery and keep a copy. Once you have withdrawn, you are entitled to a refund of any deposit you have paid
    .

    Would suggest getting to the dealer for opening time and demand to see manager to stop the agreement being processed AND phone the Finance Company.
    Any problems with either I think I would phone the Trading Standards or Consumer Direct 08454 04 05 06 for advice before leaving the premises
  • NiceGuyG
    NiceGuyG Posts: 189 Forumite
    Dam it, cheers!
    Keep smiling, G.
  • So I went to Ford with my mate. The below letter is what I am sending;
    Dear Sir

    Regarding our conversation at approx 1750 hours this evening in your office regarding the car I took delivery for on 13th December 2006, A Sliver Ford Fiesta Zetec 1.4 .

    First of all let me begin by categorically stating that this letter is not prelude to pending court action nor should it be perceived as a threat of such action. This letter is only to outline my position and touch on some of the points we agreed on this evening during our productive conversation.

    As we discussed when signing the hire purchase agreement ,on 08/12/2006 your sales advisor Bev (Bevinder I believe) informed me that my first payment would be approx £190.00 with subsequent payments at approx £140.00 for the reminder of the 47 months with a base rate of 8.9%. Unfortunately I am not fluent in the understanding of such agreements and signed the agreement on what Bev said. I asked for a copy of my signed agreement so that I could read it but was informed by Bev that Ford do not provide copies of agreements and that Black Horse Finance (the loan company) would be sending me my copy in the post.

    On 13/12/2006 at approx 1420 hours I received a call from black Horse Finance confirming the loan details. They informed me that I would have to pay £190.92 for the duration of the loan contrary to what Bev had informed me and for what I had signed.

    Later that evening I attended your show room for vehicle collection with a friend; Gaurav [ME], I once again asked Bev for a copy of my agreement and he again informed me that I could not have a copy as it was not company policy. I raised my concerns over the monthly payment instalment and Bev informed me that he would look into it and that its possible that Black Horse may have made a mistake.

    Still unclear over the terms, Bev asked you to explain to me exactly what happens in 6 months time which you did. After you left us I once again asked for a copy of the agreement and was once again informed that I am not entitled to a copy.

    On collection of the vehicle at approx 1730 hours on 13/12/2006 it was dark and thus I did not have the opportunity to conduct a full inspection. My friend who was driving behind me did note that the rear off-side brake light was not working. In the car I noticed a number of fittings either missing or fitted incorrectly. On the journey home I noticed a noise from the rear of the car which could only be described as travelling at 80mph in 2nd gear. During day light inspection I noticed several dents and paint mark dis-colourations. Further to this I found it dangerous to drive the vehicle owing insufficient leg room.

    This morning I contacted your show room and raised all these issues and was advised to come in. At approx 1700 hours Myself and Gaurav came to your show room and spoke to Bev. I informed him that I was not happy with the vehicle owing to the faults I had found and my leg space. I was also not happy with the £190.92 rate I was paying. I asked Bev for a copy of my contract informing him that I had spoken to trading standards who had advised re my right to a copy. Bev informed me that it was not policy however he could arrange for a copy to be collected on 15/12/2006. I queried why I would have to come back as some paper work must still be in your dealership. Bev stated that he personally bound all the paper work and sent it off and thus no paperwork was in at location, after I collected the car on 13/12/2006. Shortly following this Bev spoke to one of your mechanics and informed me “The car is not road worthy, the mechanic has also found a problem, its something to do with the rear wheels, the revs are too high”. To be honest I was unsure what Bev was talking about as I am somewhat mechanically inept however was not happy with the car. I informed Bev that I no longer wanted the car and was returning it to your dealership. Bev collected the key from me. As I was trying other cars to find a more suitable sized car you approached me and informed me that it was not possible to cancel. Admittedly you spent a great deal of time with me trying to help me find a suitable sized car for which I was grateful.

    I believe it speaks volumes about your customer service when a manger is willing to take the time to help me. I was truly grateful. I was still very concerned over what I had been informed at the time of signing and for what I had actually signed. I was also upset by the fact that I had still not received a copy of my signed agreement. These issues where address by yourself, both promptly and efficiently. You went to the back and within seconds I had my agreement in my hand, even though Bev had stated that no paperwork was in your office. You then called me, Gaurav and Bev into your office to discuss how we could all move forward from this point and Gaurav raised the issue of me being misinformed. You asked Bev to clarify what he informed me at the time of signing the contract. Bev admitted that he had informed me that first payment was £190 approx with subsequently payments of £140 approx per month. You informed Bev these figures where different to the figures on the agreement. You then confirmed with Bev that on Friday when I was signing my contract, that the figures that Bev gave me were different to the ones I was signing for, which he confirmed. You informed Bev that you would speak to him about this issue later and at that point Bev left your office. Gaurav then said to you “Steve I just want to confirm with you so it is clear in my head what Bev has Just said. Bev has just confirmed with you that he mis-informed Gary about how much he would be paying and the interest rate when Gary was signing”. You replied “Yes” and nodded your head.

    I think we have built up a good relationship and you could see that this entire episode was stressing me out. You calmed me down, were patient and understanding. You informed me that you would speak to the dealership manger and try to help me which I really appreciate.

    I took the liberty of speaking to a legal advisor who advised that I put down in writing, what has occurred thus far.

    As mentioned, I returned the vehicle as I was unhappy with it owing to it not being of satisfactory quality, this is under Supply of goods Implied Terms Act 1973. I am also aware under hire purchase that I, the consumer have the right to reject goods owing to the vehicle which on this occasion I have done. I have not authorised any repairs to be conducted on the vehicle. Further to this I believe I was grossly mis-informed which directly resulted in my decision to sign the contract.

    You took the time and effort to work out what I would have to pay to assist me and we reached a figure of approx £1500 however I believe you are all too aware that it’s impossible for me to pay this off.

    You have suggested that I come in on Saturday to discuss this matter further which I will be happy to do.


    Would anyone know if my friend has a leg to stand on??

    Cheers.
    Keep smiling, G.
  • It's still War and Peace.
    Cut it down give the facts only forget all that rubbish about court action etc etc.
  • Why did he not test drive the car???

    It almost smacks of that little britain character whose catchphrase is " I want that one!"
    2014 Target;
    To overpay CC by £1,000.
    Overpayment to date : £310

    2nd Purse Challenge:
    £15.88 saved to date
  • sirboz
    sirboz Posts: 2,394 Forumite
    Being the manager of Ford dealership site myself

    have you considered popping in tomorrow and talking to the salesperson and see what he/she can suggest to overcome the problems ?

    why are you firing into legal letters without even discussing it , I know the course of action I would take if I was on the recieving end of that lot . However if you came in for a chat theres lot of ways to resolve all your issues.

    Its both his fault and the salesmans as they didnt qualify him for a suitable vehicle , the noise you describe maybe not a fault / a wheel bearing / wind noise which are easily resolvable and you have to give them a 'reasonable time' to fix any mechanical faults, ie not 2 hours :rotfl:

    pop in and have a chat and see what they say ?
  • I am popping in tomorrow. My friend has tried a number of cars and beleive it or not, he is 6.4' and has diffcultty in the new Mondeo. To be honest I think my friend is unhappy at paying 15% at £190 for 48 weeks. He wants to walk away from Ford.
    Keep smiling, G.
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