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Buy to let a good move?

My car loan runs out in a few months, so I'll have £400 a month which I want to invest. I thought about putting it in a high interest savings account, but I quite like the idea of a buy to let as a sort of pension investment. I already have a pension, but I like the idea of diversifying.

Some quick info: I'm 24, I have a mortgage, to which I'm already paying the maximum £500/month overpayment allowed. I've used up my ISA quota for this year and I have £20,000 in a 5% savings account.

I've read up on it and it seems that a lot of people are saying a house price crash is due. Although I'm in Scotland, so I don't think I'd see as big a drop as down south (if history repeats itself).

So does a buy to let sound like a good idea for me, or should my money go elsewhere? I know it's risky, but it's something I've been interested in for some time.
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  • Paul_-C-
    Paul_-C- Posts: 54 Forumite
    vishpatel wrote:
    Thanks, but that article seems to be talking about buying a holiday home, rather than a buy to let.
  • ginger_nuts
    ginger_nuts Posts: 1,972 Forumite
    with BTL the minimun deposit is 15% .
    The interest rate for a BTL is usually a bit higher .
    The rent should cover the mortgage ,this is where you need to be realistic .
    Where are you buying ,who are you renting to .
    You will need insurance .The amount off insurance you pay will depent on the type of tenant . Tenant ,profession person = lower premiun .Tenant ,DHSS = higher premium . Where would you buy ,how would you get a tenant what is the market like now . Dont forget any tax on profits and CGT if you sell .Can you afford the rent for a few months if you dont have a tenant .I wuold say most BTL's are done on interest only .If the figures add up then buy .
  • dunstonh
    dunstonh Posts: 120,003 Forumite
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    Buy To Lets are not good value at this time. Rental yields are low, liability is increasing all the time, the risk is higher today than any time in the last 10 years. The downward pressures seem to be increasing all the time.
    I am an Independent Financial Adviser (IFA). The comments I make are just my opinion and are for discussion purposes only. They are not financial advice and you should not treat them as such. If you feel an area discussed may be relevant to you, then please seek advice from an Independent Financial Adviser local to you.
  • EdInvestor
    EdInvestor Posts: 15,749 Forumite
    Investing in the stockmarket is likely to produce better returns than BTL in the immediate future IMHO, as net yields after expenses in letting property are often lower than cash/dividends and capital growth is pretty subdued ( though this may vary in different parts of the country).

    You do of course have the benefit of gearing at low risk with a BTL.On the other hand your money is locked up - the investment is illiquid.And if you already own a home, a disproportionate amount of your assets will be tied up in one sector.A further downside of BTLs is the tenant/agent/voids/repairs hassle factor - some people don't mind this, other find it worrying or annoying.

    It's similar with the volatility of share prices - some people hate this, others don't mind.Another thing to consider is that your pension will be invested in the stock market, so if you have a lot in that, you may already be covered.The aim is to get a balance - property,cash, equities.

    As you seem now to be in a good position to start serious investing, I would look at doing some research into buying shares before making a decision.Here's a strategy that might suit you.It's a comparatively easy to understand way of getting into share investing and less risky than trackers.
    Trying to keep it simple...;)
  • dunstonh
    dunstonh Posts: 120,003 Forumite
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    The HYP is just one solution and again, it is focused on just one area and doesnt have a good balance. Whilst equity income was performing as one of the best areas until about 12-18 months ago, it hasnt been as good since then compared with other sectors.

    Equity income can form a part of any balanced portfolio.

    It is also possible to invest into property without the hassle of owning the property and having the higher risks that go with it. REIT funds (and shortly UK REITs) in addition to the lower risk commercial property funds exist and they can have greater tax reliefs/advantages than owning property directly.
    I am an Independent Financial Adviser (IFA). The comments I make are just my opinion and are for discussion purposes only. They are not financial advice and you should not treat them as such. If you feel an area discussed may be relevant to you, then please seek advice from an Independent Financial Adviser local to you.
  • EdInvestor
    EdInvestor Posts: 15,749 Forumite
    Commercial property funds are indeed an asset class to consider - different from residential, usually with higher and more stable returns, and no hassle factor.

    It's worth mentioning that REITS are likely to be more volatile than the steady commercial property funds invested in bricks and mortar we are used to, because they are listed shares which can easily be bought and sold.Just as funds invested in property company shares are more volatile than funds invested in real properties. Be sure to check you've got the right type of fund in this sector.

    Examples - note chart for recent volatility:

    Fund invested in property company shares

    Fund invested directly in actual buildings
    Trying to keep it simple...;)
  • dunstonh
    dunstonh Posts: 120,003 Forumite
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    REITS will be top end risk. Current REIT funds (which cover global) are coming out around 9/10 on the risk scale compared to 4/5 out of 10 for commercial property "bricks and mortar" funds.

    However, owning a buy to let with a mortgage isnt exactly low risk either. It's high risk. Much higher than most people doing it realise.
    I am an Independent Financial Adviser (IFA). The comments I make are just my opinion and are for discussion purposes only. They are not financial advice and you should not treat them as such. If you feel an area discussed may be relevant to you, then please seek advice from an Independent Financial Adviser local to you.
  • If you can find the right property at the right price and suitable tenants, BTL still works.

    It's not as easy as it once was but the basics of income vs costs and risk assessment still hold. My rule is:
    a. Find a house and divide the cost by 150.
    b. If the rent is less than this figure, walk away

    I'm sure that there are many places where BTL will still work.

    If BTL doesn't work then house-buying wouldn't work. All depends on the crash - will it happen - how severe will it be - which areas will be worst/least affected - etc.

    For the OP. Do your sums with a number of assumptions and your question will answer itself. Then find a property that meets the assumptions (price, rental income, market). Just don't factor in any unjustified house price inflation and make sure it's a long term commitment. If you can manage the BTL yourself, you'll save a lot in letting agent fees.

    It may not be a huge earner but the experience could set you in a good position should the market collapse and BTL become more attractive in the future.

    I don't think you'd lose a fortune over 10 years. I'd prefer bricks and mortar to a few shares in over-valued companies.

    Best wishes

    GG
    There are 10 types of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those that don't.
  • meanmachine_2
    meanmachine_2 Posts: 2,624 Forumite
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    Flats in my mate's mansion block in Hampstead have been selling for 320K in the last few months.

    By your calcs, the rent would have to be £2100.

    Current rentable value: £1200.

    Crazy indeed. Even at the upper end of the 12-20 rule the investment makes no sense.
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