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450k for a three bed flat-madness ! Now these people face ruin.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2009/aug/08/berkeley-homes-mortgage-deposit

Here is an article from the guardian ! My headline is Daily mailish though !
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  • staffie1
    staffie1 Posts: 1,967 Forumite
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    Risky business, property buying.
    If you will the end, you must will the means.
  • mewbie_2
    mewbie_2 Posts: 6,058 Forumite
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    Surely there are enough bulls out there to want to take over these positions and help those who find themselves unable to buy? After all property is a one way bet. Just the rental yield on those flats must be worth a fortune, and the capital appreciation over a month or so will easily make up any shortfall.

    Step forward Hamish, Chucky, ISTL, etc. These people need some practical help from people who believe in the propery market.
  • Generali
    Generali Posts: 36,411 Forumite
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    dfh wrote: »
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2009/aug/08/berkeley-homes-mortgage-deposit

    Here is an article from the guardian ! My headline is Daily mailish though !

    The buyers took a risk and it didn't pay off. I am sympathetic towards these people as they find themselves in horrible positions but if the flats had risen in value they'd hardly have been clamouring to pay the seller more money.

    I took a financial risk and it didn't pay off in going to run a hedge fund. I'm getting on with things, perhaps these people would be better off doing rather than whinging.
  • Graham_Devon
    Graham_Devon Posts: 58,560 Forumite
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    Just strikes you how it's the young who are paying the price. They probably had advice of "buy now or you will never get on the ladder"...I know I did, but chose not to buy out of my depth, hence SA.

    You don't get 20 something landlords in general, you just get these people facing financial ruin while the generation before them tried to hoard money for their own children, while financially ruining their peers children to try and do it.
  • Jonbvn
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    Personally, I believe that NB property contracts are generally far too biased in favour of the developer. This is particularly true with completion times, which has some bearing on the case in question.
    In case you hadn't already worked it out - the entire global financial system is predicated on the assumption that you're an idiot:cool:
  • julieq
    julieq Posts: 2,603 Forumite
    Generali wrote: »
    I took a financial risk and it didn't pay off in going to run a hedge fund. I'm getting on with things, perhaps these people would be better off doing rather than whinging.

    To be fair, faced with a no win situation they may as well fight their corner. Nothing to lose and if they get enough publicity they may well force a climbdown to some extent or other. Developers won't want bad publicity around the idea off plan purchases, they'll want to try and sign people up. In practical terms all they'll end up is the deposit and whatever else they can get by bankrupting the buyer, it's not really in anyone's interest.

    I don't on the other hand think that it would be a good thing if that happened.
  • Jonbvn wrote: »
    Personally, I believe that NB property contracts are generally far too biased in favour of the developer. This is particularly true with completion times, which has some bearing on the case in question.

    I agree with you - completion times for developers are particularly elastic - the only way I would ever buy anything off plan is if I could have penalty clauses for developer for failure to complete to the agreed timescale - otherwise everything is in their favour.

    In fact if I'm honest I probably would never buy off plan.
  • Cleaver
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    Just strikes you how it's the young who are paying the price. They probably had advice of "buy now or you will never get on the ladder"...I know I did, but chose not to buy out of my depth, hence SA.

    You don't get 20 something landlords in general, you just get these people facing financial ruin while the generation before them tried to hoard money for their own children, while financially ruining their peers children to try and do it.

    Every generation will have a small minority facing 'financial ruin' for one reason or another, with one of the reasons often being poor decisions made.

    I don't disagree with what you're saying in one way Graham, but you're using emotive rhetoric to give an impression that there's a whole generation of people who have lost hundreds of thousands at the hands of the greedy previous generation. Which isn't the case for most, is it?

    I get bombarded with bad financial advice every day: take out this credit / store card, consoladte your loans in to one easy payment, buy this flat for £99 deposit today, join an internet forum, etc. etc. Doesn't mean I need to follow any of it.
  • FungusFighter
    FungusFighter Posts: 1,163 Forumite
    Does anyone give a stuff about the pooor developer?:confused:

    Their battling to stay afloat and keep paying the brickies and now these would be yuppies are refusing to cough up - 60 time £400k could finsih 'em:eek:
    You can't win an argument with a stupid person.

    I'm dyslexic ie I can't be @rsed to check for typos
  • ShelleyC_2
    ShelleyC_2 Posts: 1,500 Forumite
    Generali wrote: »
    The buyers took a risk and it didn't pay off. I am sympathetic towards these people as they find themselves in horrible positions but if the flats had risen in value they'd hardly have been clamouring to pay the seller more money.

    I do feel for them and agree the contracts are often weighted very much in the favour of the developers. But these people signed that agreement.

    But think the above point is key. How many of these people bought off plan because they thought their flats would have made them money in that time? Nobody would have been supporting the developers if in times of HPI they wanted people to stump up extra above the agreed price would they :confused:
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