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my partner has been offered 25% tax free cash from her company pension scheme and a reduced pension

we are unsure what is the best thing to do - tax free cash seems a good idea but we do need income and wondered what sort of returns we could expect with little risk to the money, should we invest, put it into a bank

or are we better going for the extra pension and less cash - because of tax free thought this would be the way to go but not so sure now

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  • dunstonh
    dunstonh Posts: 119,743 Forumite
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    What you ask is a specific question with a specific answer that will depend on your scheme, tax position, financial requirements and circumstances for both now and the future.

    It is really impossible to give you any indication without knowing those things and they are not the sort of things you want to publish on a public forum.

    This is a once only transaction choice you have to make. You either get it right or get it wrong. You cant go back later and make changes. So, its vital to get it right first time.
    I am an Independent Financial Adviser (IFA). The comments I make are just my opinion and are for discussion purposes only. They are not financial advice and you should not treat them as such. If you feel an area discussed may be relevant to you, then please seek advice from an Independent Financial Adviser local to you.
  • have been offered chance for extra £40000 cash with a reduction in pension of £2000... this looked quote good to me - had looked around and only other site i found mentions swapping £12 cash for £1 pension,

    thought it might be best to take the cash and look for an income myself as works out as 5% AND i get to keep my cash in case I need it - not sure where to look so have spoke with an adviser who said cash will struggle but could take 5% with bonds - said one company offered an income for life with chance to cash in when markets rise which they have got to as so bad right now

    seemed ok but thoughts of others would be nice
  • cyclonebri1
    cyclonebri1 Posts: 12,827 Forumite
    It's always a balancing act when converting. IE all pension for one, or 1/2 pension for spouse, or 25% cash etc.

    I took mine last year but got between 7 and 7.5%, but that was only locked in for a year:mad:

    My main consideration was that having provided a spouses pension which considerably reduces what you get, at least the earnings from the Cash LS will benefit both without reduction on death. Sorry for the morbid note
    I like the thanks button, but ,please, an I agree button.

    Will the grammar and spelling police respect I do make grammatical errors, and have carp spelling, no need to remind me.;)

    Always expect the unexpected:eek:and then you won't be dissapointed
  • Things to consider is what effect it will have on any windows pension you spouse will receive ( some schemes pay the same regardless of the lump sum taken)!! also the financial position of your pension scheme is it funded well !!

    Also what level of pension increases which have been paid in the past and what you expect in the future and what guarantees are in place regarding increases
  • dunstonh
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    not sure where to look so have spoke with an adviser who said cash will struggle but could take 5% with bonds

    If that is a very quick summary then maybe fair enough but if that was the extent of the advice then change the adviser. Was it a tied agent or IFA? A tied agent doesnt have the remit that an IFA has and wouldnt be able to do the sort of recommendation you are after. Their remit is to sell products and that appears to be what you have received. Was a cost analysis done of the options to show you the pros and cons of each? (yes = adviser, no= salesperson) Was the "recommendation" straight to bond or was a tax comparison done between ISA, Unit trust and bond? (straight to bond = salesperson, comparison = adviser).
    I am an Independent Financial Adviser (IFA). The comments I make are just my opinion and are for discussion purposes only. They are not financial advice and you should not treat them as such. If you feel an area discussed may be relevant to you, then please seek advice from an Independent Financial Adviser local to you.
  • Hi bobsleigh,

    As the other previous respondants to this thread have said, you really need to sit down with an adviser on this one as your circumstances will be specific to your own private situation and any comments on here will probably be too generic.

    If I can hone in on just one area for instance. Both cyclonebri1 and jack spratt make valid points in respect of any survivor’s death benefits BUT we don’t know, for example, if you are married, single but cohabiting etc. All we know is that you have a partner. Is your partner opposite or same sex for example - as this could make a difference too? If married, when? Is she near her Normal Retirement Date or has the offer been made as ‘early payment’?

    As Jack Spratt points out, some defined benefit schemes provide a spouse’s pension ‘pre commutation’ and this might be important to you. Just to clarify here's a simple example:

    Example 1
    Unreduced spouse’s pension:

    Pension only
    Scheme pension £15,000 p.a. with surviving spouse’s pension of (say) 50% i.e. £7,500 p.a.

    or

    Cash lump sum and unreduced spouse's pension
    Cash lump sum of £36,000 plus scheme pension £12,000 p.a. with surviving spouse’s pension of (say) 50% i.e. £7,500 p.a.

    You can see that in this example that the spouse’s pension has NOT reduced – even though the lump sum is taken.

    Example 2
    Reduced spouse’s pension:

    Pension only
    Scheme pension £15,000 p.a. with surviving spouse’s pension of (say) 50% i.e. £7,500 p.a.

    or

    Cash lump sum and reduced spouse's pension
    Cash lump sum of £36,000 plus scheme pension £12,000 p.a. with surviving spouse’s pension of (say) 50% i.e. £6,000 p.a.

    Summary
    Scheme Rules are wide and varied and what I've attempted to demonstrate in the above example is that there are other factors to be considered, such as the date you were married or started cohabiting, the dates of pensionable service, if cohabiting are you financially interdependent (as this may have an effect on whether you would be entitled to any survivors beneft) and the above is just one example.

    Here’s a Factsheet - 10 reasons why you may not want to take that cash lump sum

    If you care to expand on your situation we may be able to provide more specific answers.

    Note, it isn't complicated - but it does require prior knowledge - otherwise you, or your partner may lose out without ever knowing what was available.

    I hope the above helps a little.

    Mike Jones

    I work in the field of Pension Education and Pension Guidance in the UK. I am a current member of the Specialist Pensions Forum as well as being a Voluntary Adviser for The Pensions Advisory Service. I work with scheme members, employers, trustees, scheme administrators and advisers on most things to do with employer sponsored pension schemes. The views expressed by me in this thread are my personal opinions. You should seek professional advice from an appropriately experienced and qualified adviser. I am not an IFA.
  • thank you, especially Mike, have read the link and usefulk information, no we are not married but long term partners ( oppoiste sex!)

    adviser has been pretty good and happy to use him as comes recommended but as with all things want to make sure I know my options and dont fall for some sales chat

    thanks
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