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Advice needed after accident
Incredibly gutted.
Last Wednesday, both myself and my girlfriend had the day off. We were on our way to York to buy a new shower as ours had packed in the day before. I work in York, and my usual work commute is 22 miles door to door. I drive there and back every day and have done so since I bought the car in August.
The road from where i live to York is the A19. It's mostly national speed limit with three villages along the way, two of them 30mph zones. The first village is known as "Death Hill" due to the number of accidents that have happened there over the years. It is a very steep hill and people used to drive too fast over it (some still do), it has recently been changed from a 40 to a 30.
Pleased to say I negotiated this fine. About 5 miles prioir to getting here though I came up to the back of a couple of cars. The one directly infront of me was a black coupe. It was either a Honda or a Hyundai, but I honestly wasn't close enough to distinguish the difference in the badges.
I'm a sensible driver; I'm 22, but I was hit by a car 10 years ago and my girlfriend's dad was killed by a drunk driver. I certainly appreciate road safety. As a result, I was about 4 car lengths behind the car infront of me doing about 45 after we'd gone through death hill. As my girlfriend always says, "only a fool breaks the two second rule".
After death hill its back to national speed limit and over a slight hill. As I have said, I was doing about 45 and keeping station with the car in front. We accelerated very slowly out of death hill but there's no where to safely over take and I wasn't in a rush so I just kept my distance. we went over the crest of the hill and down the other side, so i could only see the car infront of me and not the car infront of him (or her)... when the coupe infront of me suddenly swerved round the car infront of me, complete with screeching brakes and everything. I immediately slammed all on and also tried to move round but my car doesn't have ABS brakes, so you tend to brake in a straight line. I unfortunately skidded down the hill into the back of the car that was infront of the car infront of me. If you get my meaning.
It was a big enough impact and both myself and my girlfirend were understandably shocked. The car that was infront of me drove off, leaving just myself and the car I hit. A Mercedes.
The Merc had a broken bumper, I asked the woman if she was OK but she just wanted my details, which we exchanged and she drove off. I called the police but there weren't interested. My car was blocking the road!
I got a farmer to give me a tow into a layby on the other side of the road and a copper showed up, breathalised me, checked my insurance, etc. He never asked me what happened. (Needless to say, i passed the breathaliser).
My car wouldn't start and my girlfriend was pretty shook up so I arranged for a lift for her from a family member and then payed £55 to have my car towed back.
It wasn't until the weekend when i got around to looking and found where the fuel isolation switch was. The car runs fine, with no damage to the radiator or anything. The crash damage is as follows: dented bumper, slightly buckled wings, one smashed headlight (passenger side) and the other headlight has a broke clip, damaged bumper and damaged front panel. More worryingly, part of the chassis arm is sticking through the bumper.
Now, I own a 1998 Honda Civic Illusion, 1.4litre engine. I'm no boy racer, I bought it because Honda have legendry reliability and because it was the only car I could afford at the time (£1400). The car its self is in insurance category 7 (!) so fully comp insurance was 5 pounds cheaper than the actual cost of the car(cheapest quote. followed martin's guide). So, Third party fire & theft was half that much, so i plummed for that instead. My reasoning being, I planned to buy a better car in the new year and it didn't seem very smart to pay for fully comp when i could have bougth two cars.
Rather annoyingly, 2 weeks ago I got a stone chip kicked up at my windscreen which actually prodcued a 14 inch crack. No fully comp, so I paid £125 to have that replaced. Infact, just last week, I bougth a set of 4 brand new Continental tyres for it (glad I did, accident might have been much worse without the grip).
Because there's no independent witnesses, and because I have only third party cover, my insurance company don't care very much , likely due to the fact it does seem to them i just ran into the back of another car.
It's extremely frustrating because I know it wasn't 100% my fault, i've yeat to hear a good explanation of why I came face to bumper with a near stationary vehicle. But anyway.
Because I don't have fully comp, I have to foot the bill unless the other pary accepts blame, which they won't. Fair enough. Except I had a quote from the garage that has serviced the car since it was first registered (and kept it in very nice condition)... They tell me the chassis is twisted slightly due to the uneven impact and will need to be put on a jig to correct it. They estimate that to cost at least £100, plus about 8 hours labour. Then there's parts and spraying and fitting... he said he'd be surprised if it wasn't at least £2K.
That's obviousley more than the car is worth. Insultingly, he offered me £250 for it in scrap because it had new tyres (which cost me £190 last bloody week!).
I really don't know what to do. I live in a fairly rural area and I need my car to get to work in a reasonable amopunt of time. I've been taking a train and 2 busses which works out at about £12 per day at the moment and adds at least an hour to it if everythign is on time. I spent about £20/week in petrol before.
There's not many cheap cars for sale locally, but about 15 miles down the road there is a nice 2001 reg civic for £3k, insurance cat 4... even with the accident on record i can get fully comp for it for about half the cost of the vehicle, but what do i do about my existing car and insurance (and road tax?)
Any advice or suggestions at all from anyone would be appreciated. As I've said, the important thing is that nobody was hurt(i wasn't even sore but my girlfriend had a sore back for a few days) and I just want to get things sorted out as quickly as possibly.
The thing I forgot to mention: a garage wouldn't have to pay for labour to fix the car and could replace the body work at cost, etc. With that in mind, do you think any garages would take the car in part exchange? It has a full service history, the rest of the car (including engine) are in excellent condition, its just too costly for me to fix...
Last Wednesday, both myself and my girlfriend had the day off. We were on our way to York to buy a new shower as ours had packed in the day before. I work in York, and my usual work commute is 22 miles door to door. I drive there and back every day and have done so since I bought the car in August.
The road from where i live to York is the A19. It's mostly national speed limit with three villages along the way, two of them 30mph zones. The first village is known as "Death Hill" due to the number of accidents that have happened there over the years. It is a very steep hill and people used to drive too fast over it (some still do), it has recently been changed from a 40 to a 30.
Pleased to say I negotiated this fine. About 5 miles prioir to getting here though I came up to the back of a couple of cars. The one directly infront of me was a black coupe. It was either a Honda or a Hyundai, but I honestly wasn't close enough to distinguish the difference in the badges.
I'm a sensible driver; I'm 22, but I was hit by a car 10 years ago and my girlfriend's dad was killed by a drunk driver. I certainly appreciate road safety. As a result, I was about 4 car lengths behind the car infront of me doing about 45 after we'd gone through death hill. As my girlfriend always says, "only a fool breaks the two second rule".
After death hill its back to national speed limit and over a slight hill. As I have said, I was doing about 45 and keeping station with the car in front. We accelerated very slowly out of death hill but there's no where to safely over take and I wasn't in a rush so I just kept my distance. we went over the crest of the hill and down the other side, so i could only see the car infront of me and not the car infront of him (or her)... when the coupe infront of me suddenly swerved round the car infront of me, complete with screeching brakes and everything. I immediately slammed all on and also tried to move round but my car doesn't have ABS brakes, so you tend to brake in a straight line. I unfortunately skidded down the hill into the back of the car that was infront of the car infront of me. If you get my meaning.
It was a big enough impact and both myself and my girlfirend were understandably shocked. The car that was infront of me drove off, leaving just myself and the car I hit. A Mercedes.
The Merc had a broken bumper, I asked the woman if she was OK but she just wanted my details, which we exchanged and she drove off. I called the police but there weren't interested. My car was blocking the road!
I got a farmer to give me a tow into a layby on the other side of the road and a copper showed up, breathalised me, checked my insurance, etc. He never asked me what happened. (Needless to say, i passed the breathaliser).
My car wouldn't start and my girlfriend was pretty shook up so I arranged for a lift for her from a family member and then payed £55 to have my car towed back.
It wasn't until the weekend when i got around to looking and found where the fuel isolation switch was. The car runs fine, with no damage to the radiator or anything. The crash damage is as follows: dented bumper, slightly buckled wings, one smashed headlight (passenger side) and the other headlight has a broke clip, damaged bumper and damaged front panel. More worryingly, part of the chassis arm is sticking through the bumper.
Now, I own a 1998 Honda Civic Illusion, 1.4litre engine. I'm no boy racer, I bought it because Honda have legendry reliability and because it was the only car I could afford at the time (£1400). The car its self is in insurance category 7 (!) so fully comp insurance was 5 pounds cheaper than the actual cost of the car(cheapest quote. followed martin's guide). So, Third party fire & theft was half that much, so i plummed for that instead. My reasoning being, I planned to buy a better car in the new year and it didn't seem very smart to pay for fully comp when i could have bougth two cars.
Rather annoyingly, 2 weeks ago I got a stone chip kicked up at my windscreen which actually prodcued a 14 inch crack. No fully comp, so I paid £125 to have that replaced. Infact, just last week, I bougth a set of 4 brand new Continental tyres for it (glad I did, accident might have been much worse without the grip).
Because there's no independent witnesses, and because I have only third party cover, my insurance company don't care very much , likely due to the fact it does seem to them i just ran into the back of another car.
It's extremely frustrating because I know it wasn't 100% my fault, i've yeat to hear a good explanation of why I came face to bumper with a near stationary vehicle. But anyway.
Because I don't have fully comp, I have to foot the bill unless the other pary accepts blame, which they won't. Fair enough. Except I had a quote from the garage that has serviced the car since it was first registered (and kept it in very nice condition)... They tell me the chassis is twisted slightly due to the uneven impact and will need to be put on a jig to correct it. They estimate that to cost at least £100, plus about 8 hours labour. Then there's parts and spraying and fitting... he said he'd be surprised if it wasn't at least £2K.
That's obviousley more than the car is worth. Insultingly, he offered me £250 for it in scrap because it had new tyres (which cost me £190 last bloody week!).
I really don't know what to do. I live in a fairly rural area and I need my car to get to work in a reasonable amopunt of time. I've been taking a train and 2 busses which works out at about £12 per day at the moment and adds at least an hour to it if everythign is on time. I spent about £20/week in petrol before.
There's not many cheap cars for sale locally, but about 15 miles down the road there is a nice 2001 reg civic for £3k, insurance cat 4... even with the accident on record i can get fully comp for it for about half the cost of the vehicle, but what do i do about my existing car and insurance (and road tax?)
Any advice or suggestions at all from anyone would be appreciated. As I've said, the important thing is that nobody was hurt(i wasn't even sore but my girlfriend had a sore back for a few days) and I just want to get things sorted out as quickly as possibly.
The thing I forgot to mention: a garage wouldn't have to pay for labour to fix the car and could replace the body work at cost, etc. With that in mind, do you think any garages would take the car in part exchange? It has a full service history, the rest of the car (including engine) are in excellent condition, its just too costly for me to fix...
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regarding the accident the insurance company will put you at fault.
if in your position i would not bother repairing the car. you will not be able to recoup what you paid to have it repaired.
if the car is off the public road then return the road tax to dvla for a refund. forms are available from the post office. also declare it as sorn.
regarding insurance i probably keep it active if you plan to buy another car soon. then just ring them up and give them the new car's details
have you considered putting the car on ebay etc or local paper. highlight the fact that it has new tyres. also detail what damage has been done.
good luckProblem with having access to internet is that i get asked by many to solve their problemsWell at least i learn something on the way
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If you hit the rear of a car yur are automatically to blame.
The current insurance full years premium will need to be paid as a claim will be made against it.
Looks like you'll have to bear the brunt of it and get a new car.
Try to make as much as you can selling the tyres etc and the car for scrap.
Its all you can do.
I know you must be gutted I know I would be but the cars beyond economical repair and if you had fully comp the insurance would have paid trade value for the car.
If your after reliability something like a Nissan Micra 1.0L will be reliable and should help you get back on the road with a low insurance group.
An "at fault" claim and the loss of 2 years NCD (if you have gained that much) will bump up the cost though.
BenI beep for Robins - Beep Beep
& Choo Choo for trains!!0 -
The crash damage is as follows: dented bumper, slightly buckled wings, one smashed headlight (passenger side) and the other headlight has a broke clip, damaged bumper and damaged front panel.
All of that is easily fixable.
For example: headlamps £50 from scrap yard/ebay/honda board
bumper £50 from scrap yard etc
Wings £30 from motor panel supplier
Spraying of panels / fitting of bumper etc £300
If it drives straight then all of that is cosmetic and can be fixed easily.
Regarding insurance, don't bother arguing, you went into back of another car. It's amazing how quickly you can close a gap up. The car that slowed/stopped should have looked in their mirrors before standing ont he brakes, but that's life.Happy chappy0 -
I would have thought the 25 replies you had on Honest John's Backroom would have answered your query!
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http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?f=2&t=374150 -
Cardew wrote:I would have thought the 25 replies you had on Honest John's Backroom would have answered your query!
See:
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?f=2&t=37415
didn't think it would hurt to ask around, sorry.
thanks everyone for your advice!0 -
You've already thanked the people on Honestjohn though.
Only joking, I don't read that forum.Happy chappy0 -
Hard luck.
I have 2 suggestions:
1) Salvage what you can from your car and sell the rest. If your tyres are not flatspotted from the skid perhaps take the wheels off and store for your next car? (You mentioned getting a similar car). Get a refund on the tax disc and flog what you can as parts or as salvagable wreck.
2) Repair it yourself. On a £1400 car it's pointless to fit all new parts. Consider either used parts from a breakers yard or online forum/classifieds. Indeed consider buying another identical car which is damaged or sold for parts. If you got one which has been rearended you could salvage all the panels etc you need.
But realistically if you've damaged your chassis you don't want to mess with that so consider option 1 and put it down to experience.0 -
There's no problem asking around, makes no diff if he asked on HJ.
The accident was your fault. In future you will have to leave more room from the car in front, and I was taught to look as far ahead in the road as possible. I know you said you couldn't see the car infront of the car infront, but that doesn't make sense to me, you can always see the car infront of the car infront, but giving you the benefit of the doubt, the fact that you couldn't means there was a potential hazard and you should have dropped back to compensate. You said 4 car lengths, that's about 60 feet, the stopping distance for a car @ 40mph is 9 car lengths or 120 feet, and you said you were doing 45mph. So no wonder you hit the car. What you should have done was come off the brakes and driven round the obstacle. Edit: Just noticed you said on HJ why you didn't do this. In that case you could havereleased the pressure on the brake and re applied it very (VERY) quickly, I've done this too because the road was wet, and think it helped me to stop sooner.
Indeed I remember I had the same thing happen to me once. We came upon immediately and unexpectedly a traffic jam the 2 cars in front hit the brakes, I decided the best option for me was to go to the right and overtake, the car behind me hit the car which was infront of me, and the car behind him hit into the back of him. I meanwhile was safe and able to carry on my journey, there was no need for me to stop as I did not cause the accident and the explanation of what happened was going to be very straightforward for all of them. I think I'm right, in my memory, when I looked in my mirror the driver behind was talking to and looking at his passenger and that was a big factor in why he was unable to stop or take appropriate evasive action.
Ok so leave that to the insurance to sort out, and you won't see any money coming your way.
Repairs, if it were me I'd be removing the lights and removing the bumper cover & metal bumper bar underneath and bumper bar brackets.
It should all be fairly straight forward to remove when removed, assess the damage and work out which bits need to be changed, then go to a scrappy (assuming the car is popular sight on our roads) and get replacements, headlights, 30 - 50 quid max
bumper bar 10 max
bumper cover 20 - 30 quid
The scrappy might ask for more, my max prices are what I would be prepared to pay always haggle.
Then put it all back together. Problems you might encounter, the chassis as you say might be slightly out of true, but you should be able to ignore that and screw your new parts on to the chassis without too much hassle, (I've done this on 2 or 3 cars).
The headlights also should be able to be screwed back on. I wouldn't replace the side panels unless they look quite bad (because they may not be as easy to replace), if they do then just unscrew them and buy a side panel to replace it with.
Obviously you are going to try to get the right colour bits, but don't worry about a small detail as that, if it fits it'll work.
Edit: I just looked at your picturesI didn't see you mention bonnet! Bonnet will be 30 - 50 quid. Prices will depend on how common your car is.
The other headlight looks ok only replace if it is noticeably loose. And investigate the broken headlamp, maybe you can get away with just replacing the lens/cover.
The wing looks ok, even if it is slightly dented don't bother it ain't worth the hassle. If the bumper /inside wheel arch cover don't quite fit properly, there's nothing wrong with drilling a hole and using cable ties to hold them in place. They are not structural parts,and as long as they are secure they won't fail an mot, I have had bumper covers held together with cable ties before ...no problems.
The bonnet should be held on with 2-4 bolts near the hinges, you'll need two people to put the new one on. It's got to be worth having a go! otherwise you're just throwing away a decent car. Go for it.0 -
I've had a second estimate which put paint and body work at 270ish , then 690 for labour plus VAT.
I've had a ring around a few scrap yards and the parts aren't too far off that (plus spraying of course). Also had a chat with a few friends, we're going to look at measuring the chassis twist (indeed if there is one) in a couple of weeks. I think if it's ok I will simply repair it myself. If not then advertise locally as salvageable.
Either way, I need to sell the car! It's not an insurance write-off so the damage doesn't have to be declared anwyhere and I have since bought an X reg model of the car (which is in group 4 vs group 7 of the damaged car, which my insurance co were pleased about). even with the outlay it is marginally more efficient than this one so hopefully i'll save part of the difference.
The tyres aren't flat spotted because the wheels didn't lock, I did cadence brake. On my way to work this morning there was no body behind me so I tried having a go in the new car to see how quickly i could break (with ABS) and it's reasonably close although the road surface is terrible there, i tried again a few miles up the road and the distance was cut in half! Tyres on the damaged car are R14, tyres on the new one are R15
I was obviousley too close, yes. i've been infuriating other motorists since getting the new car by leaving a larger gap. please bear in mind i'm rubbish at estimating actuall lengths of distance. what i think is 4 car lengths may be nowhere near that, i try to stick to the 2 second rule (now doubled) so i have no idea how many car lengths that is/was.
You can't always see two cars ahead. The stretch of road i was on is slightly downhill so it skews your viewing angle if the two cars infront are two close together and you are a sensible distance back. not all saloons have the hatchback style break light, etc etc. Plus these ridiculous 4x4s are near impossible to see around.
But thanks for the advice, need to get it sorted but I suppose i will have to brave the cold weather instead of waiting for a nice sunny day!0 -
What is the full spec of the R14's and R15's ?
Because it could still be possible to use them.
http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalcold.html
Assuming your R14's fit around your calipers0
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