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Time to redesign the veggie plot (with pics)

I have a south facing veggie plot at the end of my garden which predominantly consists of four raised beds.

I have done quite well with them over the last three years, but I have a few issues with them:

1) They are not big enough! ;) They each measure approx 1.5m square. Whilst I have done quite well squeezing maximum croppage out of them, I would still like more space.
2) They are quite high raised beds - about 60cm. I have little choice on the raised bed side - the tree roots stop me digging up the area and planting direct, but they are prone to drying out really easily - even with all the manure and compost I can get my hands on. Dripper hoses have been a good answer on drier days.
3) I have little room for permanent planting - such as fruits and herbs.
4) I had an arch stretching across two of the beds which I used to grow a butternut squash and runner beans on which was broken by recent high winds
5) I have a birch tree which is now growing over one of the beds.

Pictures of the area are here, here and here. These photos were taken in their first year before the paths were completed but the veg was growing well, they still pretty look much the same now (although a bit more dead!).

So, I have decided to change the area as follows and thought I would share with you my plans:

1) Merge the two beds on each side into one large longer bed either side of path. My OH was quite upset initially with this, because he worked so hard on building the path around them - but I need more growing space!
2) Lower the bed height, reusing the wood to join the beds.
3) Use up the compost from my over-brimming composters, growbags and the pot grown potatoes to boost the levels of the beds.
4) Put up three wooden arches which I bought on ebay to replace the one broken one for growing beans and other stuff such as squashes over.
5) Join the arches with twine and grow raspberry canes or other fruits to line the path in between.

I have planted my winter veg in modules under cloches, intending to redesign this area asap, so I should have plants to put in there once done. I also have some onion setts and garlic to plant.

I have other needs too. I would like to plant a rhubarb plant that currently lives in a pot into the area occupied by my redundant green cone (rat nightmare so now abandoned). I would also like to create more room to grow potatoes in pots next year.

I am sure there will be other things too.

Thought you guys might be interested in the project anyway (my family are bored with me talking about it!!!)

I would appreciate ideas on fruit recommendations to grow along the twine between the arches. I already grow hops and grapes successfully over a pergola elsewhere in the garden and have a (so far sterile) cherry tree and a poorly performing apple elsewhere too. I moved the strawberries out of the beds when room became a problem and have since grown them in a trough with little success.

I am down on the South Coast - we have very mild winters and because my garden is walled and landscaped (no time to cut grass) it can get very hot and dry in summer. I work fulltime, so only get time on the weekend to work on my plot and I am organic where possible (hence the netting over the plants to prevent cabbage white invasions! I do occasionally resort to a small quantity of slug pellets when I become over-run.

Any tips/encouragement greatly appreciated!!!! Thanks!
:D Thanks to MSE, I am mortgage free!:D
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  • paddy's_mum
    paddy's_mum Posts: 3,977 Forumite
    I've been Money Tipped!
    Clearly, someone who loves her garden and, in my time, I too have suffered the rolling-eyes-bored-not-again syndrome!

    Can't offer much in the way of ideas except to suggest that you might want to use the twine for growing french beans or some other quick producing food plant that will enjoy those conditions. Might you consider using something stronger than twine - galvanised wire perhaps? - and planting the more permanent but reliable thornless blackberry.

    Did you know that you can plant cucurbits (squash, pumpkin, marrow) actually in the compost bins and so produce an edible crop at the same time as the compost is rotting down?

    I'd be using those walls for something better than leaning compost bins against - how about a fig (buried in an old washing machine drum to restrict the roots and encourage fruiting) or espaliered peaches?

    Very nice to see other peoples' ideas and pictures though so thanks for that and look forward to seeing pics of The Great Update.
  • Angelavdavis, you mentioned problems with slugs, have you considered a small pond with frogs ? this works absolute wonders. had a one in my last garden very small less than metre by metre, but I had loads of frogs living in garden and never had any slugs. I am going to put one in my garden this year, having a small child has prevented me so far but he will be 5 next year.
    I also have some raised beds as my garden is waterlogged as soon as we have any rain (has been like a bog all summer, but stiil had some decent crops in the raised beds.
  • I was going to tell you about how I use grass cuttings to mulch my veg pots in the summer to keep them moist but then I read you dont' have grass. Do your neighbours so you could acquire some cuttings?
  • Zazen999
    Zazen999 Posts: 6,183 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 1,000 Posts Name Dropper Combo Breaker
    Can you take a photo of the full garden, they are lovely pictures of the beds, but you can't see anything else.
  • Thought you guys might be interested in the project anyway (my family are bored with me talking about it!!!)

    Angela,

    You are an inspiration. I have been meaning to dig up a patch of rough grass and put it to productive use for ages. Your post has given me the encouragement. Now, where did I put that spade?
  • Zazen999 wrote: »
    Can you take a photo of the full garden, they are lovely pictures of the beds, but you can't see anything else.

    Yes will pop out later and post them up for you.
    :D Thanks to MSE, I am mortgage free!:D
  • angelavdavis
    angelavdavis Posts: 4,714 Forumite
    Mortgage-free Glee!
    Drats! We are midway through painting the three arches a tudor oak colour, when we have opened the final box only to find the arch is missing its bag of bolts!

    I have phoned the company that supplied them and they have promised to send them through to me this week, so we can crack on with painting all the arches and putting two together and hopefully the bolts should arrive for next weekend.

    We have cleared an area of perennial flower planting near the veg border, as we are going to also redesign this area and also widen the pathway around the side. We managed to find a home for the old plants through freecycle.

    paddy's mum - a good idea to relocate the compost bins. I have an area I use for storage (photo to follow) and will see if its big enough to house the compost bins. Although I already have a fig elsewhere in the garden (forgot to mention this), I might treat myself to a fan trained peach/plum/pear. Thanks for the idea! Great idea too for the compost heaps - planting curcubits on top. I always think the compost is wasted.

    dinkydido - We actually have lots of frogs in the garden already because we have a water feature (its an urn which trickles water into a reservoir (photo to follow). However, its actually snails we suffer with - I am afraid we are zero tolerant now and they get squidged as soon as we stumble on some in the garden.

    Have got my FiL saving his leaves for me to stack and use as leaf mulch. I will collect them next time I see him.

    I have taken some more pictures and will post them up later for you all. Am off to help OH finish painting the arches!
    :D Thanks to MSE, I am mortgage free!:D
  • angelavdavis
    angelavdavis Posts: 4,714 Forumite
    Mortgage-free Glee!
    Well OH and I have had a busy weekend in the garden.

    1) We 1st coated the 3 arches ready for a second coat as soon as we get a couple of dry days.
    2) We have lowered and merged the 2 x 2 veg borders into 2 x 1 long borders. The plan is for the arches to straddle the borders over the pathway.
    3) We lifted some paving slabs which we plan to relocate elsewhere.
    4) We took the top off the green cone and planted the rhubarb in its place.

    As requested, I have taken some more photos of the rest of the garden:
    • An aerial view of the entire garden, including the patio areas. It isn't looking its best this time of year. The landscaping was done over a three year period by OH and I. I started it after getting a quote for £20k from a builder:eek: . The garden had to be terraced as it sloped downhill away from the house and was difficult to mow, etc.
      I met OH halfway through and he helped me complete it two years ago.
    • The child-friendly water feature is popular with the frogs all year round.
    • There is a fig tree growing against one wall.
    • There is also a productive grapevine and hop on the pergola over one of the patios.
    • Here is the ornamental area we are redeveloping, now cleared.
    • I am seriously considering moving the compost bins, as suggested by paddy's mum to the end of the garden where there is currently a storage/potting area which has turned into a dumping ground and needs a bit of decluttering. This will enable me to look at getting a wall trained fruit tree of some sort which is a great idea!
    I am looking at wall trained fruit trees, strawberries, dewberries and raspberries to add to the garden area.

    I will post up some more pictures later in the week.

    Hope you all have a good week.
    :D Thanks to MSE, I am mortgage free!:D
  • pennineman
    pennineman Posts: 1,973 Forumite
    Thanks Angela. You've given me the motivation to get on with our as yet unfinished kitchen garden. Currently we're building a couple of gritstone walls to tidy things up and stabilize a difficult knocked about old Pennine drystone wall boundary (backs onto a cow shed as was).

    All we have so far are four containers full of onions plus a savagely pruned old gooseberry bush which has done little in the last two wet summers. We used to get aeons of gooseberries from the bush but it may be too old now. Anyway, it's pruned to the ground nearly so won't have any fruit this year but hopefully it might be back to its former glory in a couple of years. Or maybe it is really too old. (Brought by the birds not us.)

    Think maybe I might try rhubarb again. haven't had any in the garden for three decades now!!

    Growing stuff 953ft up can be tricky at times. :)

    Your garden looks fabulous.
    Where now?
  • angelavdavis
    angelavdavis Posts: 4,714 Forumite
    Mortgage-free Glee!
    pennineman wrote: »
    Growing stuff 953ft up can be tricky at times. :).

    Wow, that must be a challenge - great view though I am sure ;)
    pennineman wrote: »

    Your garden looks fabulous.

    Thanks Pennineman! I am really glad that I have motivated you.

    I have spent any spare time this week painting trellis arches (which I have decided I hate with a passion!!!)

    Luckily, my winter veg plants that I have started in the cold frames are doing really well and I have some takers for the excess topsoil from one of the raised borders which will enable me to level these out so I can plant my new plants under cloches. Unfortunately, my FiL is going into hospital today and so we are at my in-laws house keeping my MiL company this weekend, so little will get done which is a shame as I am dying to get cracking before the cold really sets in.
    :D Thanks to MSE, I am mortgage free!:D
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