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Frequent Flyer Schemes discussion

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  • basmiles
    basmiles Posts: 17 Forumite
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    There are some significant errors in this report.

    On the BA frequent flyer scheme it should be noted that 20 tier points will only be given on the most expensive short haul economy tickets. From a money saving expert better to book a flight in premium economy long haul with BA where a return would earn 150 points. Four of these would get you a silver card and return fares could be as low as £500. An expensive economy ticket earning just 40 points return could cost around £300.

    On bmi to get a silver card you need 16,000 points. The account is then reset and to keep silver you need 16,000 points from the issue date of the silver card or 38,000 to get to gold over 12 months from when you first got silver. More important is that the bmi scheme does NOT automatically offer space available upgrades. Golds get four upgrade vouchers for upgrades to business on short and medium haul routes - but many short haul routes have no business class. On long haul the upgrade is to premium economy only. No upgrades for silvers ever, or golds after the vouchers have been used. There's also no point in joining the bmi scheme if you live near East Midlands Airport. bmi might have one flight from there - they use to have more - but now bmibaby is based at EMA. You get no status points flying with bmibaby and very very few frequent flyer miles as it's a low cost airline - and so no lounge or business class. Better to join the bmi scheme if you leave near to Heathrow or travel from Edinburgh, Glasgow, Belfast or Manchester to London.

    The Virgin scheme is incorrectly described as well. Virgin do not offer domestic flights so if you travel a lot short haul forget Virgin.

    Some the upgrade examples don't have sense. The upgrade to business from Atlanta to Tucson doesn't ring true. It's only a short flight allowing little time for sleep; very few airlines in the US offer business class - normally it's first only; the domestic US first seats do not convert to flat beds and do not encourage sleep; even in first for short flights you're unlikely to sleep through a great food service. On short routes in first you're lucky to get a packet of crisps!

    The Paris example is also wrong. You can't be upgraded from premium economy to business on BA because on short haul routes they don't have premium economy - this is a long haul product.

    There are other issues that others will no doubt comment on.

    BAsmiles
  • Tojo_Ralph
    Tojo_Ralph Posts: 8,373 Forumite
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    basmiles wrote: »
    There are some significant errors in this report.
    BAsmiles

    Given that the correct information is freely available, the question is why?

    Another example.....

    KLM/Air France Flying Blue Quote: "Points earned on discounted economy tickets? Yes, 50%"

    And the reality.....

    http://www.airfrance.co.uk/X01/en/local/voyageurfrequent/flyingblue/fblue_gagner_skyteam.htm?BV_SessionID=@@@@0799159532.1219211887@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccdeadeemfdmkilcefecekedgfndgig.0
    ...
    The MSE Dictionary
    Loophole - A word used to entice people to read clearly written Terms and Conditions.
    Rip Off - Clearly written Terms and Conditions.
    Terms and Conditions - Otherwise known as a loophole or a rip off.
  • Cardew
    Cardew Posts: 29,064 Forumite
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    I have noted some errors as well.
    American Airlines
    33"
    38"
    60"
    British Airways
    31"
    N/A
    73"
    British Midland (BMI)
    31"
    49"
    60"
    Continental
    31"
    N/A
    55"
    KLM
    31"
    N/A
    79"
    Ryanair
    30"
    N/A
    N/A
    Thomas Cook
    30"
    N/A
    N/A
    Virgin
    31"
    38"
    60"
    Source: SeatGuru. Seat pitch for long-haul cabins, except for Ryanair (short-haul only)

    So, of the biggies, only American Airlines offers more than 31" in a standard seat

    American Airlines do not have any Premium Economy seats.

    Their Economy seats do not have a 33" seat pitch; most are 31-32" - see Seat Guru which you quote as a source!. I think this is outdated information from the days when they ran a promotion called More Room Throughout Coach(MRTC) sadly discontinued about 3 years ago.

    BA do have a Premium Economy seat.
  • mystara
    mystara Posts: 22 Forumite
    Also, unless I missed it being mentioned in the report, all of the frequent flyer schemes have a difference between "destination miles" which you can use for free flights/upgrades/whatever and "membership miles" which are used to progress to each tier.

    For example, although BMI offer 3000 miles, these are "destination miles" and do not progress you further in to the next tier. In general (and I'd love to know if they are any exception), you MUST fly with an airline to earn membership miles.
  • In my experience, you cannot use your frequent flyer miles to purchase an upgrade to your existing booking if you made that booking through an agent and not directly with the airline. I got quite excited reading the article and we have just booked tickets to fly to Vancouver next year on BA, via the Thomas Cook website. I have loads of frequent flyer miles which I couldn't use to buy the original tickets direct from BA as they wouldn't let me select the dates I wanted, so i thought I could use the miles to buy an upgrade. But on trying to do it, it says I can't do that because I bought the tickets through an agent. How annoying is that? Does anyone have any way round this? I've got about 80,000 BA miles.
  • mfrgolfgti wrote: »
    In my experience, you cannot use your frequent flyer miles to purchase an upgrade to your existing booking if you made that booking through an agent and not directly with the airline. I got quite excited reading the article and we have just booked tickets to fly to Vancouver next year on BA, via the Thomas Cook website. I have loads of frequent flyer miles which I couldn't use to buy the original tickets direct from BA as they wouldn't let me select the dates I wanted, so i thought I could use the miles to buy an upgrade. But on trying to do it, it says I can't do that because I bought the tickets through an agent. How annoying is that? Does anyone have any way round this? I've got about 80,000 BA miles.

    Although there may well be seats available on a given flight in a particular cabin, there may not be award or upgrade availability because the airline thinks that they're likely to be able to fill the plane with revenue earning tickets.

    You need to check that the airline has award/upgrade seat availability on the flights on the dates you're booking before committing. The safest way to guarantee this is to book directly on the airline's website or call up their reservations line.

    It is possible to upgrade a travel agent's booking, but only if there is availability in the booking class.

    If your existing booking is a flexible fare, you could change the dates/flights to a different day/time where there is availability to upgrade, and then upgrade it straight away in case someone else gets there before you.

    Sometimes seats for award/upgrade become available closer to the time of departure. You need time on your hands to check online regularly. For example, Virgin seem to open up their Upper Class (and maybe other classes to) to awards/upgrades five days prior to departure if they think they're going to end up with empty seats.

    Note also that some airlines particularly in the US do not let you use miles to upgrade deeply discounted economy tickets.
  • _Andy_
    _Andy_ Posts: 11,150 Forumite
    The VS section is somewhat mis-leading - discounted Y fares do pay 100% mileage, unless it's an 'N' code. I.e. Q/X etc all pay 100%.
  • richardw
    richardw Posts: 19,459 Forumite
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    mfrgolfgti wrote: »
    In my experience, you cannot use your frequent flyer miles to purchase an upgrade to your existing booking if you made that booking through an agent and not directly with the airline.

    The agent may have sold you a consolidator booking class ticket, which are not upgradeable.

    Airlines love all this A-Z booking class malarky, one airlines Q class if different to another airlines Q class, it is all about maximising revenues.

    Best to call BA direct when trying to spend your miles on upgrades, https://www.flyertalk.com is also good.
    Posts are not advice and must not be relied upon.
  • Ref the BMI scheme -Yes, it is generous with the milage awarded but in my experience just about impossible to actually use the miles to buy a flight. I have tried searching muiltiple dates, to multiple locations on their website and couldn't find a single flight with air miles seats available. I gave up in the end, and the miles will just expire.
    In contrast, I collect BA miles on flights and via Amex and have just used my miles plus the companion voucher to book two Business Class seats on their website to Mexico City on my first choice dates - two tickets for just over £400 (I just had to pay the tax). The Amex scheme is fantastic - spend £10K a year to get the voucher - the only difficulty there is finding companies who take Amex, but that's another discussion!!
  • _Andy_ wrote: »
    The VS section is somewhat mis-leading - discounted Y fares do pay 100% mileage, unless it's an 'N' code. I.e. Q/X etc all pay 100%.

    Virgin N class tickets do earn 100% miles but only on some routes. Generally, bucket & spade routes sold on N class earn 50% miles but the same class out of LHR earns 100% - I know this as I travelled N from LHR recently.

    Also beware of relying on using miles as an upgrade tool - I know with Virgin (and probably most airlines) you can only use miles to upgrade from, say, economy to premium economy if you bought a very expensive full fare economy ticket. If you know you are going to travel on a certain date then it will most often be cheaper to book a discounted premium economy ticket than a full fare economy ticket and upgrade with miles.
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