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Can I spend it?

Hi

I'm already bankrupt and have had my OR interview but haven't started IPA yet, still waiting for the reports to be finailised.

My question is that my account has just been credited with £600 child tax credit (I've just given them my partners final wage and predicted wage for this yr).... can I spend this?

I do want to spend it wisely. My partner didn't get his overtime paid this month so surviving on a lot less than what we told the OR he would earn and I need a new car seat and would really like to have got a double buggy but up until now haven't had the money.

What do you think?
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  • tigerfeet2006
    tigerfeet2006 Posts: 14,030 Forumite
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    I would guess you would have to tell them you have recieved this as CTC is not exempt like Child Beneft. Price up the items you need and tell the OR that you desperatly need them and see what he says. Also tell them that DH overtime was not as much as hoped and you are short this month.

    You could also double check with the Insolvency Service anonymously, number in my signature.

    EDIT: This is the one we have. It is very light and folds up really small (smaller than my single 3 wheeler.) The seats are seperate and don't run together which gives them thir own space. I tried a tandem but with the weight of a toddler up front it was impossible to get up kerbs.
    http://www.mothercare.com/gp/product/B000IESEU6/sr=1-6/qid=1216712019/ref=sr_1_6/026-3378817-8784416?ie=UTF8&m=A2LBKNDJ2KZUGQ&n=76420031&mcb=core
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  • dalip
    dalip Posts: 7,045 Forumite
    Yes i agree with tiger on this one. For your own peace of mind,get it checked first.Besides if OR says you can have it you will enjoy spending it far more than if you are spending it wondering if at some point they may find out and request it back:eek: .D
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  • Izabel
    Izabel Posts: 108 Forumite
    I've just worked it out after paying rent I'm allowed £1319 for all other expenses.

    Including the extra money 598.53 and wages 700 it's £1298.53. So I'm not asking for extra only what's already been agreed.

    I did think you would say I should call but was really hoping I wouldn't have to. Thanks
  • tigerfeet2006
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    Well then this is what you tell the OR. Just explain it to him as you have to us.
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  • I would tell the OR of any gain, You did sign an agreement at court saying you would inform the OR within 21 days of any income changes. For one year its easier to go along with that than have the OR checking up on you all the time.
  • Izabel
    Izabel Posts: 108 Forumite
    I did tell the OR and have to pay it to them, I tried to explain that we are living on half of what they agreed we could have but thats my problem not theirs!

    I've now got £30 til the end of the month, this is !!!!!!!!!!!!
  • tigerfeet2006
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    Sorry sweet, that is so craAp. It so ridiculous that if you had another OR he might have said that you could keep some.

    Are you on Freecycle? We have had the odd double pushchair come up and when someone has asked for one they usually have been lucky.
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  • Hmmm i wonder if they can actually take it as it is a benefit payment which they are not allowed to touch directly as stated in the benefits legislation

    There claim to it at least is questionable in my opinian
    Thats it, i am done, Blind-as-a-Bat has left the forum, for good this time, there is no way I can recover this account, as the password was random, and not recorded, and the email used no longer exits, nor can be recovered to recover the account, goodbye all …………. :(
  • From: Part 2 - IPAs Assessment of real disposable income


    31.7.9 State benefits

    April 2008

    Whilst an IPA should not be sought where the bankrupt's only source of income is state benefit [note 3], the official receiver should not automatically discount the possibility of obtaining a contribution from a bankrupt who has surplus income but is also in receipt of benefit. Any calculation to identify surplus income should include all available income, including state benefits, paid to an individual for the general benefit of that individual and their family. This includes child tax credit, which is also a state benefit and comprises part of the income available to the bankrupt and his/her family, against which an IPA can be calculated. The person making the income and expenditure calculation (usually the examiner) should initially ascertain whether the bankrupt is also in receipt of non-benefit income. If this is the case, an IPA should be considered, the total income should be established (see other income sources at paragraph 31.7.7) and the bankrupt's reasonable expenses deducted (see paragraph 31.7.19) to cover his/her reasonable domestic needs. An assessment can then be made as to whether the bankrupt is in receipt of surplus income. If an IPA is to be sought, any surplus should be less than or equal to income from the source other than benefits. It should be remembered that whilst the bankrupt's total income (including state benefits) should be included in the calculation of surplus income, it is the income from sources other than the benefit(s) which is providing the payments under the IPA/IPO, which is why an IPA should only be sought to the extent of the non benefit income.

    The only exception to the inclusion of state benefits in an income payments calculation is where a bankrupt is in receipt of child benefit, which is not an income based benefit (unlike child tax credit, see above). The High Court has stated as a matter of public policy that child benefit should not be included in the statement of income when applying for an IPO and there is no reason why the same principle should not be extended to cover IPAs.

    Where a bankrupt’s income solely comprises state benefits, it is unlikely that a surplus will arise except where they are in receipt of non-means tested benefits, for example Disability Living Allowance. The official receiver should consider that it is always open to the bankrupt who has a surplus and wishes to contribute, to make voluntary payments. If the bankrupt was minded to contribute on a voluntary basis, having been informed that their income appeared to be sufficient to produce a surplus taking in to account their reasonable domestic needs, a voluntary agreement could be incorporated into an IPA, but it would have to be clearly noted that no enforcement action would be taken if the bankrupt failed to make agreed voluntary payments.

    The Department of Work and Pensions website provides useful information regarding allowances and benefits currently in force and can be accessed at http://www.dwp.gov.uk/.


    From: Social Security Administration Act 1992
    187 Certain benefit to be inalienable

    (1) Subject to the provisions of this Act, every assignment of or charge on—
    (a) benefit as defined in section 122 of the Contributions and Benefits Act;
    (b) any income-related benefit; or
    (c) child benefit,

    and every agreement to assign or charge such benefit shall be void; and, on the bankruptcy of a beneficiary, such benefit shall not pass to any trustee or other person acting on behalf of his creditors.

    Fermi posted the above a while ago and although CTC CAN be counted towards calculations of an IPA I think taking it as a lump sum falls under that second quote in my view anyway

    I think you need to some more advice before agreeing to hand it over as you may not need too if im interprating that correct

    Ive asked Fermi to take a look see what he thinks
    Thats it, i am done, Blind-as-a-Bat has left the forum, for good this time, there is no way I can recover this account, as the password was random, and not recorded, and the email used no longer exits, nor can be recovered to recover the account, goodbye all …………. :(
  • fermi
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    Personally I think it should be treated in the same way as the payments of arrears of benefits; i.e. it is exempt and can only be claimed by a voluntary contribution.
    31.7.10 Arrears of benefits received post bankruptcy

    Occasionally, where a bankrupt is in receipt of benefits he/she may receive arrears of benefit payments as a post bankruptcy receipt (prior to discharge). Where this happens, because state benefits are excluded from the bankruptcy, the arrears of benefit (including tax credits ) cannot be claimed as a vested asset because they are state benefits. It may however be possible to claim the monies under the income payments provisions of the Insolvency Act by agreeing a single payment agreement with the bankrupt as a voluntary contribution. Any arrears of benefit claimed in this way should not include any child tax credit benefits.

    N.B. official receivers must ensure when dealing with arrears of benefit in this way as a voluntary contribution, that the payment does not represent an overpayment, which has been paid to the bankrupt post bankruptcy and which can be recovered after discharge in specific circumstances.
    But as we know, they keep moving the goalposts on this. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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