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Pension crisis coming to UK....
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TRUSt_NO_1_2
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Should be on BBC in next 6 months.
Don't rely on PPF (Pension Protection Fund),as they are probably extremely low on capital.
No sooner had they been set up than the queue was round the block (eg MG/Rover)
Look at USA for a sign of things to come.
Scaremonger..?
If that's what you want to call me be my guest.
Just be prepared is my advice.
Don't rely on PPF (Pension Protection Fund),as they are probably extremely low on capital.
No sooner had they been set up than the queue was round the block (eg MG/Rover)
Look at USA for a sign of things to come.
Scaremonger..?
If that's what you want to call me be my guest.
Just be prepared is my advice.
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TRUSt_NO_1 wrote: »Scaremonger..?
If that's what you want to call me be my guest.
TRUSt_NO_1 - 95% if not 100% of all your posts are doom and gloom!
And when you're not predicting the end of the world you're advocating that Silver is the answer to everything!0 -
TRUSt_NO_1 wrote: »Should be on BBC in next 6 months.
Don't rely on PPF (Pension Protection Fund),as they are probably extremely low on capital.
No sooner had they been set up than the queue was round the block (eg MG/Rover)
Look at USA for a sign of things to come.
Scaremonger..?
If that's what you want to call me be my guest.
Just be prepared is my advice.
Aw go on then, Scaremonger, scaremonger, nah nah na nah naaaaaa:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Bored bri.I like the thanks button, but ,please, an I agree button.
Will the grammar and spelling police respect I do make grammatical errors, and have carp spelling, no need to remind me.;)
Always expect the unexpected:eek:and then you won't be dissapointed0 -
The Pension Protection Fund (PPF) is not the panacea that many believe it to be. It serves only to help defined benefit schemes (in the main).
That it is not a panacea is particularly true for scheme members who have yet to reach their Normal Retirement Date and whose scheme is accepted into the PPF (after the sponsoring employer has suffered a qualifying insolvency event and the scheme has undergone a successful assessment period). For these members, the PPF does not match the pensions that would have been payable had the original scheme survived.
Any scheme members of a defined benefit scheme worried about the sponsoring employer's finances would do well to take time to visit the PPF's website and become familiar with what it might pay - you may be unpleasantly surprised.
Any advisers telling clients that the PPF guarantees pension benefits in the event of scheme failure had better dust off their professional indemnity policies.
Give what I've said above, the cover that the PPF provides (if a scheme qualifies) is better than no cover at all.
Mike Jones
I work in the field of Pension Education and Pension Guidance in the UK. I am a current member of the Specialist Pensions Forum as well as being a Voluntary Adviser for The Pensions Advisory Service. I work with employers, trustees, scheme administrators and advisers on most things to do with employer sponsored pension schemes. The views expressed by me in this thread are my personal opinions. You should seek professional advice from an appropriately experienced and qualified adviser.0 -
Deleted_User wrote: »TRUSt_NO_1 - 95% if not 100% of all your posts are doom and gloom!
And when you're not predicting the end of the world you're advocating that Silver is the answer to everything!
Only 95%.
I'm slipping.
In my opinion Silver and Gold will be a good investment,amongst others (unlike the FTSE WHICH IS GOING TO GET CREAMED..I'LL GO FOR 4000 WITHIN 12 MONTHS)
I just happen to have focussed my research in the Silver/Gold/mining arena.
What's your pick ?
Or do you just like to knock opinions without an alternative.
Come on ..give me your tips/predictions...
Have you noticed our bankrupt government changing the rules on government debt today?
The writing is there on the wall for all to see.
The UK is worse than the USA...and that is imploding soon.0 -
TRUSt_NO_1 wrote: »unlike the FTSE WHICH IS GOING TO GET CREAMED..I'LL GO FOR 4000 WITHIN 12 MONTHSTRUSt_NO_1 wrote: »Have you noticed our bankrupt government changing the rules on government debt today?0
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Dunno - at some point the peeps with the dosh (Middle/Far East) are going to start buying companies instead of increasingly worthless government bonds.........
Would you buy a company making a loss ?
Do you mean like the vultures who bought MG/Rover for a £1 ?
...then probably picked up a few £million in government back handers ?
They sure didn't pick up their pension liabilities.
You,me and every other UK tax payer is paying for that.0 -
TRUSt_NO_1 wrote: »Do you mean like the vultures who bought MG/Rover for a £1 ? ...They sure didn't pick up their pension liabilities...You, me and every other UK tax payer is paying for that.
MG Rover Group Pension Scheme was transferred into the Pension Protection Fund in March 2007 following a successful Assessment Period.
When the Assessment Period began, the PPF website reported:
The MG Rover Group Pension Scheme has 6004 deferred pensioners and 232 pensioners. The MG Rover Group Senior Pension Scheme has 96 deferred pensioners and 4 pensioners.
The Pension Protection Fund, which became operational on 6 April 2005, was set up under the provisions of the Pensions Act 2004. The Board of the Pension Protection Fund is a statutory corporation. It has been established to pay compensation to members of eligible defined benefit and hybrid pension schemes when there has been a qualifying insolvency event in relation to the employer, and where there are insufficient assets in the pension scheme to cover Pension Protection Fund levels of compensation.
Hence, other than the normal tax reliefs on pensions which all UK residents can avail themselves of, no taxpayers money will have yet paid towards the retirement provision of members of that or any other scheme that has transferred to the PPF.
Mike Jones
I work in the field of Pension Education and Pension Guidance in the UK. I am a current member of the Specialist Pensions Forum as well as being a Voluntary Adviser for The Pensions Advisory Service. I work with employers, trustees, scheme administrators and advisers on most things to do with employer sponsored pension schemes. The views expressed by me in this thread are my personal opinions. You should seek professional advice from an appropriately experienced and qualified adviser.0 -
......Hence, other than the normal tax reliefs on pensions will all UK residents can avail themselves of, no taxpayers money will have yet paid towards the retirement provision of members of that or any other scheme that has transferred to the PPF.
Mike Jones
Been on the PPF website.
PPF is already in defecit..as I guessed. How much I don't know.
I expect it to get a lot worse in the near future to the extent that a tipping point is reached for the PPF.
It's USA equivalent is in the same boat.
Quote from the Economist website :
"..the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation, which insures private sector benefits, but is already $14 billion in deficit"
According to the ‘Purple Book’ of the PPF …”a 2.5% rise/fall in equity prices can mean a £12billion rise/fall in funding of the schemes of PPF members”
In March 2007 the PPF (re Purple Book) said funding in PPF member schemes had a surplus of £53 billion. The big pension schemes, such as financials, tended to represent ALL of the surplus.
The FTSE has gone down approximately 15% since then.
Using FTSE as equity price indicator, scheme collective assets have gone down by $73 billion, meaning PPF schemes collectively will now be under water by approx £20 billion, with some of the smaller ones well under water by now.
If the RPI continues to rise this will also have a negative impact.
I wonder if the bank pension funds tended to hold a lot of their own stock. I would assume so, in which case they will be in deep trouble.
The PPF only collects about £300 million per year.
When the PPF financials deteriorates further to the point that it cannot fund it's commitments, what will happen?0 -
TRUSt_NO_1 wrote: »Would you buy a company making a loss ?.0
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as I guessedI don't knowI would assume so
Quality Cut n Paste Research there TrussNo1
:rotfl::rotfl: :rotfl:'In nature, there are neither rewards nor punishments - there are Consequences.'0
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