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A possible breakthrough with creditor?

Hi all,

I have today received a letter from my creditor (HSBC) with the following info:

Thank you for your letter offering full and final settlement of your outstanding debt.
In view of your circumstances the Bank is exceptionally prepared to accept your offer of £xxx in full and final settlement of the outstanding balances on a/c no: xxxx and xxxx. This agreement is on the basis that the funds are received into your bank account by xxxx.
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Providing the funds are received by the above date, all accounts held with HSBC will be closed and you will be released from all liability in respect of these accounts and no further action will be taken by HSBC regarding the remaining balances.
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Please note that in view of the fact that we have agreed to accept a PARTIAL REPAYMENT of your debt, and agreed not to persue the remaining balances, your credit file which is held with Credit Reference Agencies will be annotated accordingly and could affect your any future credit applications you may make.

It's this last bit regarding partial repayment that I am worried about. Does this mean that they could still sell on the remaining balance?.

All help and advice greatly received.

Thanks, Babbit x
:D Opinions are like bottom holes, we all have one :D
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  • Deep_In_Debt
    Deep_In_Debt Posts: 8,579 Forumite
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    Hi Babbit.

    Yes, partial does mean that they can and probably will come back for the rest, although they have said partial repayment and not partial settlement so not sure whether they are the same thing.

    I would write to them again (pain, I know) and say you want Full and Final and not partial settlement.
    Debt 30k in 2008.:eek::o Cleared all my debt in 2013 and loving being debt free :)
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  • Runnybabbit
    Runnybabbit Posts: 494 Forumite
    Hi Babbit.

    Yes, partial does mean that they can and probably will come back for the rest, although they have said partial repayment and not partial settlement so not sure whether they are the same thing.

    I would write to them again (pain, I know) and say you want Full and Final and not partial settlement.

    Hi DID,

    I don't mind writing back, but yes I am of the same opinion with regards to this partial bit. However, we are dealing with HSBC and not a DCA, so that makes me think a little different.
    :D Opinions are like bottom holes, we all have one :D
  • fermi
    fermi Posts: 40,542 Forumite
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    They shouldn't be able to sell it on.

    They have said in that letter "in full and final settlement of the outstanding balances"

    As long as you keep proof of the F&FS, then if they should anyone they sold it to wouldn't be able to claim.

    If it is marked as "partially settled" that is OK, providing that there is no outstanding balance listed against the account.

    The Information Commissioner issued some guidance a while ago on how to mark the F&F settlement of defaulted accounts:

    Link: Technical Guidance Note - Filing defaults with credit reference agencies
    Where there is a default but a lender has formally accepted in full and final settlement a smaller amount than was owed under the terms of the original agreement, then it would be unfair to process personal data to record an outstanding balance on a default when the matter had been formally and finally concluded.

    There are other circumstances where the terms ‘satisfied’ or ‘settled’ are not appropriate because they do not adequately reflect the fact that lenders have been left with no choice but to accept significantly less than they were owed under the terms of the original agreement.


    Examples include the following:
    • Where an IVA, which included the lender, has been successfully completed even if the lender did not recover all the money owed under the terms of the original agreement.
    • Where a lender has received all the money owed under the terms of a bankruptcy order which has been discharged, even though the amount received falls short of the amount owed under the original agreement and, in some cases, may not have received any payment at all.
    • Where a secured asset has been possessed and the lender is no longer chasing payment of any outstanding debt.
    • Where the lender has accepted as part of a negotiated settlement a payment that is less than the outstanding amount and the customer has agreed as part of the settlement how their credit record will be affected.
    In the first two examples above, borrowers are under no legal obligation to pay any more money. In the last two examples the lender who is responsible for the record has decided it is not worth chasing further payment. In these circumstances, we understand a lender may be reluctant to mark the entry as ‘satisfied’ or ‘settled’. However the entry must record the position adequately, for example, by showing that no further monies are expected and the account was partially paid.
    I also checked this with National Debtline a while back because they don't say that "partial" is OK in this:

    Link: Factsheet | Full & Final Settlement offers

    This is the response I got.
    Thank you for your email.

    We note that you require clarification regarding full and final settlement offers because the information on our fact sheet and the Information Commissioner’s website seem to differ.

    You are correct in thinking that it is important for you to have confirmation from the creditor that your offer is accepted as full and final settlement. You must also ensure that you keep this confirmation for at least 6.5 years incase the debt is passed onto another debt collection agency in error. If the creditor does not issue and serve court proceedings during this time the debt becomes ‘statute barred’ and you would have grounds to defend the action. We have attached a fact sheet regarding the Limitation Act which explains more.

    If the creditor will agree to mark the credit file as satisfied this would be an excellent result for you as it would look better on your credit file. However, your credit file should show an accurate credit history and to mark a debt as ‘satisfied’ when it has only been partially satisfied could be deemed to be misleading. Therefore the creditors are well within their rights to mark your credit reference file partially settled/satisfied.

    If a change in circumstances led to your inability to settle the debts in full you can add a notice of correction to your file to explain this to future creditors so that they will take this information into account when considering you application for credit. Please read the attached fact sheet about credit reference agencies for further information.
    If you are in doubt, the give them a call.

    ........
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  • kel123_2
    kel123_2 Posts: 476 Forumite
    remember it said no further action will be taken by HSBC regarding the remaining balances.

    It doesn't say by .......... & .......... or ........... & .......etc

    GE wrote one of my debts off on the 16th Sept 2006. Link bought it on the 21st Sept 2006, reinstated it and paid them for 18 months util I knew better.
    June 2005 = 48K of Debt:cry:
    Sept 2006 Started dmp = 56k of Debt (inc fees and charges) DFD April 2030:eek:
    May 2008 = <5k of Debt (CCA route -48K, paid off 3K) DFD April 2010
    Nov 2008 Lloyds found CCA for 14K loan:mad: New DFD Jan 2016

    Happy so far tomorrows another day:confused:
  • Runnybabbit
    Runnybabbit Posts: 494 Forumite
    Thanks Fermi, I have to say that the wording does take some digesting, I do feel that I want to accept this offer however, maybe an email to Nationdebtline may be in order prior to accepting.
    :D Opinions are like bottom holes, we all have one :D
  • fermi
    fermi Posts: 40,542 Forumite
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    So you have some peace of mind, it might be an idea to run the wording of that offer past a professional debt advisor.

    National Debtline or CCCS maybe.

    EDIT: I see that is what you have decided. :)
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  • Runnybabbit
    Runnybabbit Posts: 494 Forumite
    kel123 wrote: »
    remember it said no further action will be taken by HSBC regarding the remaining balances.

    It doesn't say by .......... & .......... or ........... & .......etc

    GE wrote one of my debts off on the 16th Sept 2006. Link bought it on the 21st Sept 2006, reinstated it and paid them for 18 months util I knew better.

    Hi Kel,

    Taken the words out of my mouth - this is what I am worried about, although Fermi has listed some brilliant information for me. I may put it back in writing asking whether they would still sell on the remaining debt to someone else - or do you think this may not be necessary?.
    :D Opinions are like bottom holes, we all have one :D
  • fermi
    fermi Posts: 40,542 Forumite
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    Thanks Fermi, I have to say that the wording does take some digesting, I do feel that I want to accept this offer however, maybe an email to Nationdebtline may be in order prior to accepting.

    Sounds like a plan. :)

    While we have picked up a lot here, it's best to get our opinion backed up by someone like NDL before you part with the cash.;)

    "Writing a debt off" is a bit different than accepting a F&FS on it.
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  • Runnybabbit
    Runnybabbit Posts: 494 Forumite
    Thank you all, :A , really don't know what I'd do without you, :beer: x

    Email being typed now. Will let you know the outcome. xx:D
    :D Opinions are like bottom holes, we all have one :D
  • fermi
    fermi Posts: 40,542 Forumite
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    Email being typed now. Will let you know the outcome. xx:D

    Please do. :)

    My query to NDL was only a "theoretical" one, so it will be interesting and helpful to others to know what they make of your "offer" letter.
    Free/impartial debt advice: National Debtline | StepChange Debt Charity | Find your local CAB

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