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need proof of planning permision for a indoor wall that was knocked through

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  • puddy
    puddy Posts: 12,709 Forumite
    oh, i have a similar problem. we are buying a house that the kitchen and diner was knocked through together. the sellers say that this happened before they moved in and their survey did not reveal any problems with it.

    however, i can tell that its a load bearing wall (well, im 90% sure as there is another wall above it) and its flat at the ceiling, no evidence can be seen of an RSJ or lintel

    my worry is that in order to safeguard the floor and wall above it, we will have to put an lintel in. the survey should be done either friday or early next week, so i will wait and see

    if it hasnt been done properly, what happens? im not concerned about building regs approval, im concerned about the top floor!
  • Doozergirl
    Doozergirl Posts: 34,078 Forumite
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    jenner wrote: »
    oh, i have a similar problem. we are buying a house that the kitchen and diner was knocked through together. the sellers say that this happened before they moved in and their survey did not reveal any problems with it.

    however, i can tell that its a load bearing wall (well, im 90% sure as there is another wall above it) and its flat at the ceiling, no evidence can be seen of an RSJ or lintel

    my worry is that in order to safeguard the floor and wall above it, we will have to put an lintel in. the survey should be done either friday or early next week, so i will wait and see

    if it hasnt been done properly, what happens? im not concerned about building regs approval, im concerned about the top floor!

    Just because there's a wall upstairs too it doesn't mean it's loadbearing. It's also possible that the RSJ was concealed either by placing it higher than the ceiling (complicated) or lowering the ceiling.

    If it is loadbearing, and it hasn't been done properly (I've seen proper signs of this and literally ran from the house!) then you'll want a structural engineer's report with calculations and quotes for an RSJ to be installed.
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  • mercedes125
    mercedes125 Posts: 402 Forumite
    1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »
    Is/was it an internal brick wall then?

    Hi
    Yes it was an internal brick wall, which is now a a square opening leading into dining room there used to be doors on when we bought the house 13yrs ago which we removed.
  • puddy
    puddy Posts: 12,709 Forumite
    Doozergirl wrote: »
    Just because there's a wall upstairs too it doesn't mean it's loadbearing. It's also possible that the RSJ was concealed either by placing it higher than the ceiling (complicated) or lowering the ceiling.

    If it is loadbearing, and it hasn't been done properly (I've seen proper signs of this and literally ran from the house!) then you'll want a structural engineer's report with calculations and quotes for an RSJ to be installed.

    im going to phone the surveyers tomorrow as i hope they will be doing it soon, is a full structural surveyor able to say whether it is load bearing? the best thing would be if they come back and say the wall wasnt load bearing, then thats fine
  • Doozergirl
    Doozergirl Posts: 34,078 Forumite
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    jenner wrote: »
    im going to phone the surveyers tomorrow as i hope they will be doing it soon, is a full structural surveyor able to say whether it is load bearing? the best thing would be if they come back and say the wall wasnt load bearing, then thats fine

    I should hope so!
    Everything that is supposed to be in heaven is already here on earth.
  • 1984ReturnsForReal_2
    1984ReturnsForReal_2 Posts: 15,431 Forumite
    jenner wrote: »
    oh, i have a similar problem. we are buying a house that the kitchen and diner was knocked through together. the sellers say that this happened before they moved in and their survey did not reveal any problems with it.

    however, i can tell that its a load bearing wall (well, im 90% sure as there is another wall above it) and its flat at the ceiling, no evidence can be seen of an RSJ or lintel

    my worry is that in order to safeguard the floor and wall above it, we will have to put an lintel in. the survey should be done either friday or early next week, so i will wait and see

    if it hasnt been done properly, what happens? im not concerned about building regs approval, im concerned about the top floor!

    What are the internal downstairs & upstairs walls made out of?
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  • poppysarah
    poppysarah Posts: 11,522 Forumite
    You can look on our council's planning and building control for info.
  • 1984ReturnsForReal_2
    1984ReturnsForReal_2 Posts: 15,431 Forumite
    mercedes125 wrote: »
    Hi
    Yes it was an internal brick wall, which is now a a square opening leading into dining room there used to be doors on when we bought the house 13yrs ago which we removed.



    Depending on its age the council should have drawings on the house & they should be able to advise whether it was ever loadbearing.

    I think it costs a couple of quid but not sure. Maybe an idea to pop in & ask. But dont say anything to them about it not being there anymore...
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  • puddy
    puddy Posts: 12,709 Forumite
    1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »
    What are the internal downstairs & upstairs walls made out of?


    its a 1930s semi, so i am guessing brick, but am not sure.

    how does the surveyor know whether its load bearing without looking at the joists upstairs? the bedrooms have carpet down
  • poppysarah
    poppysarah Posts: 11,522 Forumite
    You look at what way the floorboards run. either through thin carpet or lifting it up. the joists run the other way. apparently.
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