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Government doesn't want the mother to stay at home.

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Written this letter to my MP. What do you all think???



Dear Sir / Madam,
I read with interest the latest government plans to extend the number of weeks maternity leave for working mothers. While I applaud the governments attempt to benefit those with children, there are a number of issues which never seem to be addressed.

There's a discrepancy in the way tax credits are worked out in one income families – as it is worked out on pre tax earnings. A two income couple will bring home over a £1,600 a year more in take-home cash than a one income family yet they are assessed on the same joint income. For example

1 Income family:

Gross Salary: £20,000
Tax: £3,113
National Insurance: £1,493
Net: £15,394



2 Income family:

Parent 1 Parent 2
Gross Salary: £10,000 £10,000
Tax: £913 £913
National Insurance: £553 £553
Net: £8,532 £8,532 Total take home combined pay: £17.064

That’s a difference of £1,670! That’s £32 per week! and yet they will receive the same tax credits. I’m sure you’ll agree that £32 per week is a big difference to a struggling family with young children. Currently, tax credits applicants have to report an increase of £2,000 to reassess the tax credit award. The difference in the take home pay, grossed up for tax and NI purposes is £2,420 in the example above – and yet the government ignores it!

This has annoyed me for years. My wife stays at home to look after the family but I don't see any of her tax allowance. It seems the government are doing everything to help families with two parents that work - extended maternity leave, child care tax credits etc...., but those with one income don't get a look in.

Is the government forcing the mother out to work, or will it take steps to allow single income families the tax breaks that the whole family deserves.

Also, Families with a stay at home mother do not receive the single persons council tax rebate either. Surely this is a tax based on the households ability to pay. A single persons allowance is given because they have one income, yet when the mother doesn’t go out to work and the family still has one income, the full council tax is required – which is completely unjust and unfair.

If a family on a single income lived in the average Band D property and received the single persons allowance together with initial allowances for Income Tax and National Insurance for both parents, they would be better off by over £37 per week!

I’m sure there are millions of families in this country in a similar situation and are being taxed unfairly. Why can’t the government please take into account the income of the family rather than just the number of people who work in that family – surely this is the fairest way. I know that if I was self employed my accountant would use both allowances, but as I work full time (for the government I might add) and pay my tax thought the PAYE system I pay more tax.

It seems the government penalises those families who are interested in looking after their children more than just financially. Surely the best person to look after a child is its mother (or father) yet the government promotes the idea that both parents should leave the home to work.

I just wish I could spend the money I earn rather than the tax I spend being recycled back to me through child benefit and tax credits. I work in government and know how much these systems costs to administrate. I hope the government will look into this and stop penalising those families that really care for their children.
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  • lush_walrus
    lush_walrus Posts: 1,975 Forumite
    Good luck with your fight. Ive noticed the same, for the past 15-20 years the government have gradually taking away womens choice as to whether they work after childbirth or stay at home to look after their children. Now it has got to the stage where it is impossible for mothers to stay at home and anywhere near 'keep up with the Joneses'. The reason why the government want us all that way, is because they want to create as many non questioning worker bees as possible to ensure that the government machine keeps turning.

    Its not just stay at home mums that the government want to discourage. They also want to discourage people having second jobs, by the way the taxation system works for most people it isnt worth getting a second job. Same with self employment and the newish regulations on that ensuring that a series of hoops are set in place to reduce the number of people able to work independantly.

    I could go on and on!
  • Bennifred
    Bennifred Posts: 3,986 Forumite
    Excellent points all through your letter. As a case in point, I have just had to get a job after being a SAHM for 18 years - we made the decision before having children that one of their parents (me ;) ) should stay at home to bring them up and that is what happened until now. Sadly we can no longer manage on a single wage, as costs are rising far faster than income, so our youngest is missing out on the benefits his older siblings had :mad: I especially agree with the point about being able to transfer tax allowances between spouses - it seems only fair. I think the Government is actually quite short-sighted when it comes to those of us who not only prefer to raise our own children, but also contribute to society in lots of other ways which salary-slaves have neither the time nor energy to do - voluntary work, looking after elderly relatives/neighbours, etc. thus actually saving the state from having to pay someone to do those things.
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    I agree! I work from home selling Usborne books as a way of making a few pennies so I DON'T have to leave my children with someone else. Our annual combined income isn't even 15K, and tax credits really do help us, so I'm glad they're there. BUT I feel so much like I'm under pressure to be able to spend to keep my kids involved with other little ones, and as most other stay at home mums have very well paid husbands keeping them there, it's a bit odd being stony broke but not working. I wouldn't swop it - we've never had huge amounts of cash coming in so we don't feel like we've missed out by me staying home with our kids. And let's face it, we wouldn't have had a second child if I'd had to pay for childcare on my old salary. It's fine for the high flyers, but those of us who don't have well paid jobs don't generally get much of a choice because of the government's need for us all to be able to work.

    Not trying to start an argument ;) , but I reckon if you wanted to you can probably pinpoint the downturn in British antisocial behaviour to about the same time we were all told that we should ALL go out to work and leave our children with someone else. I'm not taking that risk with my children - I'll only have myself to blame when they grow up to be monsters :rotfl:
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  • lush_walrus
    lush_walrus Posts: 1,975 Forumite
    Couldnt agree more fairylights, I feel the same way....It has to be better to bring children up on your own.
  • Spendless
    Spendless Posts: 24,670 Forumite
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    amghiggs wrote:
    Excellent points all through your letter. As a case in point, I have just had to get a job after being a SAHM for 18 years - we made the decision before having children that one of their parents (me ;) ) should stay at home to bring them up and that is what happened until now. Sadly we can no longer manage on a single wage, as costs are rising far faster than income, so our youngest is missing out on the benefits his older siblings had :mad: I especially agree with the point about being able to transfer tax allowances between spouses - it seems only fair. I think the Government is actually quite short-sighted when it comes to those of us who not only prefer to raise our own children, but also contribute to society in lots of other ways which salary-slaves have neither the time nor energy to do - voluntary work, looking after elderly relatives/neighbours, etc. thus actually saving the state from having to pay someone to do those things.
    Power to your elbow!
    Have you considered working in a school? That way you'd get the holidays off and might also be able to do your own pick ups and drop offs.

    I've recently started working in a school on a lunchtime, my eldest one is already at full-time school and the youngest one goes to her nans for her dinner whilst I work.

    We have to add the amount off the P11D as income for tax credit purposes due to hubbys benefits in kind. It amounts to £7,000 going on his wages as well as him having a negative tax code. I'd welcome being able to transfer my tax code to him
  • I agree with the above that the government looks like it is discouraging mums from staying at home. However, if you're fit and able, then you should work in my opinion IF you need the extra money. I think the government has been trying to encourage single mums to work, as they should. More and more are working because of tax credits.
  • culpepper
    culpepper Posts: 4,076 Forumite
    Ive been home with mine for nearly 17 years.
    My DD is homeschooling which means I teach her or at least supervise her learning.
    I agree the government is short sighted.They bang their heads against a brick wall whilst trying to work out how to encourage teachers to stay in the proffession,we hear more stories every day about youngsters doing dreadful crimes.
    If only more mums could stay at home and bring up their kids without feeling they are forced to go to work ,while their kids are elsewhere (as our own mums were able to) there would be less crime and schools would not be the scarey and undisciplined places they are today.
  • cardtart_2
    cardtart_2 Posts: 1,140 Forumite
    I worked for ten years before having my daughter and we decided for me to stay at home and my partner to be the breadwinner,it has been a real struggle at times I have worked evenings for a time after having my son,but as my partner is a contractor it got very difficult finding childcare,if I had paid someone it would have been more money than I was earning.I firmly believe my kids are better for having me at home giving them attention because no matter what I love them more than anyone else would.I do find myself almost apologetic when people ask if I work and I reply with I`m just a housewife,the government seem to make us feel like second class citizens.I think at the very least our partners should gain our tax allowance.
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  • kit
    kit Posts: 1,678 Forumite
    I totally agree with this ...... in fact, I may write a similar letter myself.
    I am fed up with being penalised because we have chosen to have one of us stay at home to bring up our daughter. Years ago women were discouraged from working as staying at home was 'best', now it is getting to be impossible for women (or men!) to stay at home due to the government pushing you back to work by making you broke.

    My friends family income is about £10,000 PA more than ours; however they get the same amount of tax credits as us. How is that fair?!

    My OH and I have both worked hard and paid HUGE amounts of tax for many years but still we get no real help now - what is going on? After bills, food etc I have £50 a month left..... with a 4 month old who is growning fast, that £50 does not go far.

    I know people that have returned to work as they can not afford to live otherwise; however they are unhappy and feel extremly guilty for leaving their children. How can this be better for them or their children??????

    I could go on and on as I feel very strongly about this but think I should stop now!
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  • Spendless
    Spendless Posts: 24,670 Forumite
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    kit wrote:

    My friends family income is about £10,000 PA more than ours; however they get the same amount of tax credits as us. How is that fair?!

    ..... with a 4 month old who is growning fast,
    Is this because you are both in receipt of the family element of tax credits £545p.a roughly £10 a week.

    There is a broad income where this is the money you will receive. My husbands wages could go up or down £10,000 and we'd still receive the £545p.a.

    I notice you mention having a 4 month old. Are you aware that there is an additional baby element of an extra £545pa payable till baby reaches one.

    If you haven't claimed it do so now as it can only be backdated for 3 months.
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