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hi relative as far as I know has been paying his debt to capital one
hes asked them for a copy of his cca and theyve replied with there Terms and conditions thats it NO CCA
so with all the fantastic advice out there
Now What ?
thanks
hes asked them for a copy of his cca and theyve replied with there Terms and conditions thats it NO CCA
so with all the fantastic advice out there
Now What ?
thanks
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Hi- they probly don't have the original - the one with the sig that was signed. \so tell them that the account is in dispute . Its up to you if you want to pay but whlst account is in dispute they have no right to any money - it would be considered as a "gift" by courts. Hope this helps.
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Hi,
This is the main CCA thread - http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=1868507
I believe you would be looking at sending either step 3 or 4
Maybe worth dropping never-in-doubt a pm, as i believe there is a template letter with regards to them just sending terms and conditions.Although no trees were harmed during the creation of this post, a large number of electrons were greatly inconvenienced.
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hi relative as far as I know has been paying his debt to capital one
hes asked them for a copy of his cca and theyve replied with there Terms and conditions thats it NO CCA
so with all the fantastic advice out there
Now What ?
thanks
Send the following letter - already tailored to suit your needs and mentions the fact they have sent an application form and not the CCA..... good luck. Thread for specialised help is here: http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=1868507CCA Request Query Letter
Dear Sirs,
Account No: XXXXXXXX
On xx/xx/2009 I wrote requesting that you supply me a true copy of the executed credit agreement for this account. In response to this request I was supplied a document a copy of which is attached which did not comply with the requirements of the Consumer Credit Act 1974, moreso as it is in fact an application form and not the Consumer Credit Agreement.
The document sent purporting to be a credit agreement does not contain any of the prescribed terms as required by section 60(1) Consumer Credit Act 1974. The Consumer Credit (Agreements) Regulations 1983 (SI 1983/1553) made under the authority of the “1974 Act” sets out what the prescribed terms are, I refer you to Schedule 6 Column 2 of SI 1983/1553 for the definition of what is required. Suffice to say none of the terms are present in the document
Since this document does not contain the required prescribed terms it is rendered unenforceable by s127 (3) consumer Credit Act 1974, which states127(3) The court shall not make an enforcement order under section 65(1) if section 61(1)(a)(signing of agreements) was not complied with unless a document (whether or not in the prescribed form and complying with regulations under section 60(1)) itself containing all the prescribed terms of the agreement was signed by the debtor or hirer (whether or not in the prescribed manner).This situation is backed by case law from the Lords of Appeal in Ordinary (House of Lords) the highest court in the land. Your attention is drawn to the authority of the House of Lords in Wilson-v- FCT [2003] All ER (D) 187 (Jul) which confirms that where a document does not contain the required terms under the Consumer Credit Act 1974 the agreement cannot be enforced.
In addition should you continue to pursue me for this debt you will be in breach of the OFT guidelines, I draw your attention to the Office of Fair Trading’s guidance on debt collection;
The OFT guidance which was issued July 2003 (updated December 2006) relating to debt collections and what the OFT considers unfair, I have enclosed an excerpt from page 5 of the guidance which states;
2.6 Examples of unfair practices are as follows:h. Ignoring and/or disregarding claims that debts have been settled or are disputed and continuing to make unjustified demands for paymentI require you to produce a compliant copy of my credit agreement to confirm I am liable to you or any organisation, which you represent for this alleged debt, if you cannot do so I require written clarification that this is the case. Should you ignore this request or attempt to insult my intelligence by sending out another copy of an application form, I will report you to the Office of Fair Trading to consider your suitability to hold a credit licence in addition to a complaint to Trading Standards, as you will be in breach of the Administration of Justice Act 1970 section 40.
Since the agreement is unenforceable, it would be in everyone’s interest to consider the matter closed and for you to write the debt off. I suggest you give serious consideration to this as any attempt of litigation will be vigorously defended and I will counter claim for all quantifiable damages
I respectfully request a response to this letter in 14 days.
Yours faithfully
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Niddy - Over & Out :wave:
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Hi
Can you still challenge the unenforceability of debts on the grounds that they can't provide the credit card agreement?
I heard of a high court case a few weeks ago that ruled that debts are still enforcable on these grounds.
Can anyone help please !!!!
Thanks Vicky.0 -
Hi
Can you still challenge the unenforceability of debts on the grounds that they can't provide the credit card agreement?
I heard of a high court case a few weeks ago that ruled that debts are still enforcable on these grounds.
Can anyone help please !!!!
Thanks Vicky.
Yes, ignore what you heard it was an isolated case with isolated circumstances and not the norm..... see here: Unenforceability & Template Letters2010 - year of the troll
Niddy - Over & Out :wave:
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