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Best place for approx £60k?

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  • mark55man
    mark55man Posts: 8,221 Forumite
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    60K - you and your OH could do premium bonds - if you wanted to wait a bit and not risk fixing while rates are on th epoint of going up (my opinion)

    failing that NS&I fixed rate for a year or try the index linked as mentioned above
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  • xyy123
    xyy123 Posts: 61 Forumite
    rathernot wrote: »
    I've no mortgage or debts to pay off, so it comes down to where to put it to get the best possible return whilst also being able to access it should I need to - though to be clear, I don't envisage needing to so I'd be happy to have a "loss of interest" penalty should I do so.
    Depending on how long you're not going to need it for, why not stick it in equities? I'd only do this if I wasn't going to need it for at least 1 year since, in my personal opinion, equity markets aren't going to be going significantly down anytime soon. I'd go for FTSE 100 tracker or something similar - one of the least risky equity investments.
  • Baldur
    Baldur Posts: 6,565 Forumite
    xyy123 wrote: »
    Depending on how long you're not going to need it for, why not stick it in equities? I'd only do this if I wasn't going to need it for at least 1 year since, in my personal opinion, equity markets aren't going to be going significantly down anytime soon. I'd go for FTSE 100 tracker or something similar - one of the least risky equity investments.
    You'd have to be a significant gambler or mentally unbalanced to even consider an equity tracker for a period of less than five years, to allow for fluctuations in market indices, etc.
  • jem16
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    xyy123 wrote: »
    I'd go for FTSE 100 tracker or something similar - one of the least risky equity investments.

    A FTSE100 tracker is medium to high risk. FTSE100 trackers have also spent most of the last 14/15 years in the bottom quartile for performance.

    What exactly did you do when you worked at Fisher Wealth Management, the company you keep telling us is so good on the Pensions board?

    I really hope it wasn't advising!
  • Rollinghome
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    edited 2 November 2009 at 9:44AM
    jem16 wrote: »
    A FTSE100 tracker is medium to high risk. FTSE100 trackers have also spent most of the last 14/15 years in the bottom quartile for performance.!
    Bottom quartile of what exactly? All available UTs? All UTs/OEIC and ITs including volatile emerging market funds etc? You presumably are referring to ancient tracker funds that then charged fees similar to actively managed funds.

    Any FTSE All share tracker that charges the now typical 0.5% management fee or less will consistently perform better than the average UK All Companies fund. FTSE 100 trackers will be close behind bearing in mind that 85% of the All share is accounted for by FTSE100 companies though for most people an all-share tracker may be the better choice.

    We shouldn't believe that tracker funds are some sort of all encompassing answer to all investment needs. Nor should we believe the propaganda from some of the less honest financial advisers more concerned about the fact that tracker funds may pay them little or no commission.
  • xyy123
    xyy123 Posts: 61 Forumite
    Baldur wrote: »
    You'd have to be a significant gambler or mentally unbalanced to even consider an equity tracker for a period of less than five years, to allow for fluctuations in market indices, etc.
    I disagree. Equity markets go up 8 out of every 10 years roughly. FTSE 100 tracker pays roughly 3% yield which alone is better than cash and is the least risky equity investment (a global/foreign tracker has potential currency fluctuation added in).

    Of course, the longer you hold equities for, the less risky it is and a year is not a long time. I was merely sharing my opinion that I do not think there is much significant downside to come over the next year so equities could be a viable option although there is obviously more risk with that timeframe.
    jem16 wrote: »
    A FTSE100 tracker is medium to high risk. FTSE100 trackers have also spent most of the last 14/15 years in the bottom quartile for performance.

    I do not understand what you mean by this.

    Saying FTSE100 trackers is medium to high risk takes no account of how long you hold the instrument for. I also do not like people who don't specify which risk they refer to. Clearly you're referring to risk to capital but there are other risks, such as risk of not achieving investment objectives.

    I beleive Rollinghome aptly answered your point on quartile performance. 80%+ of managed funds do not even keep pace with the market and so index trackers tend to outperform them and charge less fees (and pay less commission to IFAs).
  • Primrose
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    If you don't want to be continually hunting around for the best rate and opening new accounts Investec High5 looks a reasonable place for some of your savings. Decide how much you need to keep in easy access for emergencies and then split the remainder between the High5 (Minimum £25K investment & 90 days notice needed I think) and put the remainder in a one year bond. The High5 option will allow you to remove money every year to max out your Cash ISA allowance.
  • jamesd
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    xyy123 wrote: »
    FTSE 100 tracker pays roughly 3% yield which alone is better than cash and is the least risky equity investment
    You must know better than that, surely? What about equity income or utilities subsets of the equity market?

    Now, personally, I agree with you about likely prospects and have done very nicely from using lots of emerging markets, commodity equities and financials during 2009, as well as global and FTSE All-Share trackers. So far.

    Still worth wondering if the person who asked the question is interested in the volatility of equities, something about which they haven't yet expressed an opinion. Their timeframe doesn't seem to be a rigid one year limit so equities might well end up being suitable once there's more guidance from them about term and risk issues.
  • jem16
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    Bottom quartile of what exactly? All available UTs? All UTs/OEIC and ITs including volatile emerging market funds etc?

    Bottom quartile of UK All Companies.
    You presumably are referring to ancient tracker funds that then charged fees similar to actively managed funds.

    Not necessarily.

    How about comparing performance?

    HSBC FTSE 100 tracker - 0.25% amc
    5yrs – 29.39%

    Schroeder UK Alpha Plus - 1.5%
    5yrs - 65.3%

    Rensburg UK Mid cap Growth Tust - 1.5%
    5yrs - 98%

    Scottish Widows UK All Share - 0.25%
    5yrs - 33.9%

    So what would you choose?
  • jem16
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    xyy123 wrote: »
    I disagree. Equity markets go up 8 out of every 10 years roughly. FTSE 100 tracker pays roughly 3% yield which alone is better than cash and is the least risky equity investment (a global/foreign tracker has potential currency fluctuation added in).

    3% yield but the chance of capital loss which is not likely to happen with cash (which yes can have inflation risk but choose an account which keeps ahead)
    Of course, the longer you hold equities for, the less risky it is and a year is not a long time. I was merely sharing my opinion that I do not think there is much significant downside to come over the next year so equities could be a viable option although there is obviously more risk with that timeframe.

    It could be but could equally not be - it's a gamble. The OP might not be happy with this gamble.

    Plus putting £60k into one fund increases the risk.
    Clearly you're referring to risk to capital but there are other risks, such as risk of not achieving investment objectives.

    Yes I was referring to capital risk. You only have to read the majority of posts on this forum who are complaining that their S&S ISA or pension has lost money to realise that most people are concerned about capital risk.
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