Early Retirement & Redundancy Pay Out

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I’m getting the chance to take early retirement at 51 due to a demanning exercise with the following pension & cash.

What are my best options for tax planning, investments to take a regular income etc?

I can have the following payments/options to consider

Full Pension of £18,838
Severance of £61,168


or

Reduced pension of £14,239
Lump sum of £91,548
Severance of £61,680

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  • coldstar
    coldstar Posts: 68 Forumite
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    Personally I would take the lump sum option as it gives you more flexibility. You might decide retirment isnt for you after a few months or a year and might decide to start your own business. 90K in the bank would be a great help if you decide to set up in business.

    I had a similar choice a few years ago, took the lump sum option and paid off the mortgage and credit card debts, best thing I ever did financially. ITs amazing how comfortable (and cheap) life can be if you have no debt and own your own home!

    Probably depends on your personal circumstances and and most importantly what you want from life in the next 30 to 50 years, dont get too hung up on the tax issue (who was it said" dont let the tax tail wag the life choices dog"?)
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  • yelf
    yelf Posts: 856 Forumite
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    Assume you live to age 84 (average male) - that gives 33 years.

    £4,599 per year less of a pension = £151,767over 33 years. taxed at basic rate = £121,413.60.

    Compared to the lump sum you would be £30,000 better off. But of course that assumes living for 33years, the money could be invested for growth etc.
  • MikeJones_2
    MikeJones_2 Posts: 778 Forumite
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    Hi irri tant,

    That's an excellent 'commutation rate' equal to just under £20 of tax free cash lump sum for each £1 of pension that you are giving up - even moreso considering that of your age.

    Commutation rates of 12:1 (£12 of cash for each £1 of pension) are commonfold and this would normally be at age 65. Commutation rates in a defined benefit scheme - one in which the cash is taken by exchanging pension - usually (but not always), are less favourable the younger the scheme member is when he takes his pension benefits.

    Another important issue (depending upon your circumstances of course) is what the attaching death benefits are.

    If, for example, say there is a 50% spouse pension on your death, you need to find out if this is 'pre commutation'.

    Why? Well if it is, then whether or not you take the cash lump sum from the pension, the spouse's pension on your death (if 50% for the sake of this example) would be no less than £9,419 p.a. (50% of £18,838).

    If the spouse's benefit is 'post commutation', then it would be £7,119 p.a. (50% of £14,239).

    If you have children, check whether there are dependants' benefit on your death, how they are payable and under what circumstances.

    Finally, remember too the impact of any pension increases you receive to the pension in payment. So, if your annual increase next year is say 3.0%, for example, it would either be £565 or £427 depending upon whether you take the cash lump sum from the pension or not. And that's for each year you live thereafter. (Pension increases differ from scheme to scheme although certain increases are prescibed by law).

    Hope that helps?

    Mike

    I work in the field of Pension Education and Pension Guidance in the UK. I am a member of the Specialist Pensions Forum as well as being a Voluntary Adviser for The Pensions Advisory Service. I work with scheme members, employers, trustees, scheme administrators and advisers on most things to do with employer sponsored pension schemes. The views expressed by me in this thread are my personal opinions. You should seek professional advice from an appropriately experienced and qualified adviser. I am not an IFA.
  • jamesd
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    That lump sum commutation rate is excellent, requiring only 5% return after inflation, say 8% before to match the foregone £4,599 in income. So long as you don't use it for something like paying off a mortgage (which only makes you the mortgage interest rate, not the 8% target) and will invest it then it looks like an excellent deal.

    The first £30,000 of a redundancy payment is normally tax free so that's good and not something you need to address.

    The remaining £31,680 is taxed as normal income. Here there's an opportunity. You can ask your employer to pay it into a personal pension (not a work pension) in your name and top it up with the NI that they save. You'll get the income tax back into the pension anyway. If they pay it in directly as salary sacrifice you also get your own NI going into the pension and maybe their employer NI as well.

    You could then take 25% of the after tax money from that personal pension as a tax free lump sum and use the rest to invest and provide pension income for you. The lump sum would be something in the 10,500+ range with something like 31,500+ left in the pension pot to invest. + is because I ignored much of the potential NI gain.

    At this point you'd have £91,540 works pension lump sum + £30,000 tax free redundancy + £10,500 redundancy personal pension lump sum = £132,000 lump to invest outside a pension and £31,500 in the personal pension invested. That's £163,500 total and it's reasonable to expect to take 6% growing with inflation as an income without capital loss over the long term, giving you a potential pre-tax income of £9,810 from those investments + £14,239 from the works pension = £24,049 reasonable target annual income before tax. No NI to pay on that, just income tax.

    Now is a good time to be investing in general so there's potential to do a good deal better than that.

    If you're not already comfortable with selecting investments you should visit unbiased.co.uk and find a local IFA to help you to select a range of investments. Expect something around 15+ individual funds to be used and if you're advised to use 3-5 go and find someone better instead.

    You should expect any IFA to advise you to first start to put the lump sums into your stocks and shares ISA and that of your spouse, if any. That's 7200 this year plus 10,200 for later years, potentially for two people so in five to ten years depending on growth of investments the money should all be generating tax free income.

    Now is quite a poor time to be buying an annuity so best to defer doing that for at least a few years. Your age also makes annuity purchase unattractive compared to investing.
  • novice-saver
    novice-saver Posts: 184 Forumite
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    I'm not a financal adviser, and what I write should be taken with a pinch of salt, but:

    beware pension recycling legislation

    be sure to get good advice.
  • jamesd
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    An individual might pay significantly greater contributions as part of normal retirement planning and might simply fund those contributions from the sale of investments, deductions from salary, salary sacrifice, redundancy sacrifice or from existing savings. A pension commencement lump sum might be an integral aspect to the increased contributions to the effect that one of the reasons for increasing contributions is to receive a larger lump sum. The recycling rule will not apply in these circumstances where the individual is not setting out to use the pension commencement lump sum as the means to make those increased contributions, whether in a direct or indirect way.

    Here's a link to the overview of pension recycling. The examples are particularly useful.

    There's no gain from using the commutation lump sum to make more pension contributions in this case, so there's no reason for pension recycling to be a factor. However, if that was considered for some reason:

    1. An increase in pension contributions above past levels or 30% of a lump sum can be recycled without triggering the recycling rules, £27,464 plus typical contributions made in past years in this case.
    2. The lifetime allowance is £1.75 million for 2009/10 and 1% of that must be recycled before the rules can apply, 17,500.

    So in this case at least £27,464 plus the redundancy money plus pension contributions typically made in past years could be paid into a pension before even thinking about recycling.

    The easiest way to contribute more if desired for some reason is to avoid preplanning it.
  • irri_tant
    irri_tant Posts: 176 Forumite
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    I'm icon9.gif but not downbeat

    This time round it wasn't my turn, to expensive for company to let me go. I have a feeling there'll be another chance in the next 18 months. So third time lucky maybe.


    Any good homemade pension calculators I could use or online ones to input current figures in?

    thanks for all replies so far
  • shansaver
    shansaver Posts: 29 Forumite
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    yelf wrote: »
    Assume you live to age 84 (average male) - that gives 33 years.

    £4,599 per year less of a pension = £151,767over 33 years. taxed at basic rate = £121,413.60.

    Compared to the lump sum you would be £30,000 better off. But of course that assumes living for 33years, the money could be invested for growth etc.

    Hi,

    Just a small thought (I am a novice) Correct me if wrong.
    90000 in savings account @ 5% APR = 4500 per annum so still 90 k left after 33 years and you still get 4.5 K per year.
    Am I correct????

    Shan
  • getmore4less
    getmore4less Posts: 46,882 Forumite
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    shansaver wrote: »
    Hi,

    Just a small thought (I am a novice) Correct me if wrong.
    90000 in savings account @ 5% APR = 4500 per annum so still 90 k left after 33 years and you still get 4.5 K per year.
    Am I correct????

    Shan
    correct

    But what does £4500 buy in 33 years, Inflation/deflation is a factor.
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