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Old 08-10-2008, 12:24 PM   #21
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Jonboy69, I'm still ashamed to say that I was once so young and naive that I went for one of these jobs (different "company" but same idea). Your description is spot on!!

I actually stuck it out for nearly two months. My total pay in that time? £60!



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Old 09-10-2008, 10:36 AM   #22
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Default great post jonboy!

Jonboy your post is pretty much spot on, JPK is part of PerDM and Pro Sales isnt it. Ive found another report on one of the companies part of the same group.

check it out;

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/...Off0358721.htm

It explains a little more how the company works and how they reel people in. x
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Old 09-10-2008, 1:35 PM   #23
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Alright guys, i posted about KPJ a while back as a friend had got conned into signing up.(http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/...tml?p=11240059)

Can i just ask a question...
How many of you that went to the interview were told by Kevin that 'you remind me of myself a few years ago, your hired'?
My friend mentioned that line when he was telling me about this amazing job he'd just got (which obviously turned our to be hell on earth) and it stuck in my mind.... it was mentioned by someone else on another post, i wandered whether that was the deal clincher in most interviews?
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Old 09-10-2008, 3:43 PM   #24
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Default you remind me!

yes ianianian it is something that he says to pretty much everyone.
There are several different interview techniques and structures to follow that depend on the observations confidence and also ho "closed" they are. Closed meaning how sold they are on the opportunity.
Him saying that you remind Kevin of himself is supposed to make you think that you have a better chance than anyone of making it to management because he did it.

Another brain washing tactic i forgot to mention previously on in interviews is the 3 F's. Which is FELL, FELT, FOUND. It is also a sales tactic but works particularly well when interviewing. It is supposed to help you relate to people, for example, someone who is concerned that it is commission only, the interviewer would reply;

"I know how you FEEL, I FELT the same way on my interview day, but after 2 weeks I got promoted and FOUND that I was making 100 pounds a week".

Business advertising ltd

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Liverpool.
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Excellent Jonboy..you're posts are spot on, down to every last word that they use!

I also got the 'you remind me of myself' and heard all the stories about how Kevin started in the field but 'look at him now'. The trainer commented on how much he was already earning after just a few weeks in the job, and about the flash car he had ordered.

I was told to leave all questions about pay etc until lunch time as well, it was at this point that I told them to shove it. I suppose by sticking around until then I fell for it... but they are doing this day in day out and are very good at it.
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Old 11-11-2008, 12:20 PM   #26
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does anyone know if this company is still going?
hopefully they have been closed down for brainwashing and slave labour!!!

Business advertising ltd

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Old 13-11-2008, 2:09 AM   #27
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Default Coulson Corporation - Platinum Force

First I want to tell you how much I appreciate everyone on here warning others! I want to add some information to that.

I had an interview today with 'coulson corporation'. As far as I know based in Newcastle and Liverpool. It is exactly the same scam.
A few things are different, but there is a consistency, which I would like to share, as another warning:

-10 people filling in application forms in the hallway
-Very young interviewer, who claims to be high up, and make a lot of money
-second interview they invite you to is a 9 hour day
-whatever you ask about wages, no answer
-so-called clients: RSPCA ; SKY
-the 'third interview'
-This guys name is Ben (but he acts like Kevin)

My alarm bells went of went the receptionist answered the phone with another company name. Research showed me this company is exactly the same, all but the name. A look at their web-page-source told me that one of their search key-words is commission. A word that was explicitly dodged in the interview. Luckily I had some reservations before, and managed to pick these things up. Im Dutch, and by coincidence, that is where he went in his first week. When I asked him how he liked the city, he started on another topic.

My internet search gave the following linked companies, which I urge everyone to watch out for!

-Platinum Force
-Coulson Corporation
(in Liverpool, any company on bold street 35, 2nd floor)
-Gr8-opportunities
-DMO (direct-marketing opportunities)

One other consistency which might be a lead to nail them all in this thread is that all of their websites are made by HelpMeGo.To webdesign!
One great thing about that is that their website has a list of companies for which it makes websites. For some reason they are all 'marketing-companies'.
The list: http://www.helpmego.to/recruitment-clients.html

Friday is my training day. I will probably go and try to take one of those contracts home. Maybe warn a few people if I see someone standing outside, nervous for a job interview.
I am angry and I am going to do everything I can. Starting tomorrow, sending mails to every job search site that contains their advertisement. It won't help, but it will make me feel a lot better.


Please people, watch out. And share your experience here, so we can get this thread higher in the google search results!
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Old 17-12-2008, 12:39 PM   #28
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lol heres a few that ive seen, some many job adverts!!!!




ENTRY LEVEL SALES AND MARKETING PERFECT FOR RECENT GRADUATES

P&D Marketing Ltd is looking for people who are self-motivated, driven, and goal oriented players. Our growing portfolio in sports and hospitality industries, our recent expansion, and the signing of many new clients, has put us in the position to find the right people IMMEDIATELY to meet the demands of the North West market!

Our ability to develop our businesses is based on the people we work alongside. Therefore, we are always focused on you! Our success is determined by your success! We provide opportunities to develop your personal and business skills to achieve your goals.


P&D Marketing Ltd is looking for sharp professionals to work alongside and represent local and national accounts. We strive to give our clients direct results though a professional and friendly approach . At P&D, we believe there is nothing more powerful than a professional presentation that can explain choices, educate customers, and provide outstanding services.

This is an ENTRY-LEVEL position. We offer guidance and advice in the following categories:


* Customer Service
Sales
Advertising/Marketing
Account Supervision

The successful candidates accepted for this fantastic business development opportunity will ideally possess the following attributes:

Leadership
Great Communication Skills
Ambition
Great Work Ethic

We have several openings just waiting for people who are ready to start their business development.

P&D Marketing Ltd is committed to setting a standard of excellence for our clients, as well as providing each individual with a unique opportunity.


If you are a recent graduate, soon to be grad, or just haven't yet found the right business support, send your resume to Danielle Dunn.

Thank you for your interest in P&D Marketing Ltd.

Please feel free to visit our website at www.p-d-marketing.com
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Danielle Dunn
01512271880
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303/314 The Cotton Exchange Bixteth St Liverpool Merseyside L3 9LQ









No Experience Necessary - Apply Today Start Tomorrow
- Ref. JPK15GNS
Liverpool, Merseyside
Date submitted 8 December 2008
Closing Date 22 December 2008
Full Time


JPK Advertising

JPK Advertising is now offering openings in our business development programme. You will be given the opportunity to learn various aspects of business from sales, marketing, and business development. We are the smile and the handshake between our clients and their customer base. We are looking to coach selected individuals from entry level openings.

What does this mean?

At this moment, we are looking for competitive, energetic, sports minded individuals. These candidates will be given an opportunity as entry level direct marketing representatives for the Merseyside area, with rapid personal and business advancement opportunities. Our business development program is designed to provide training to the right person in all aspects of marketing and team leadership as well as in corporate communication and business operation. The focus is to prepare them for a position as the managing director of a location: overseeing the marketing for a portfolio of clients and supervising a team of 10-20 independent account representatives.

Successful applicants will have access to high quality help and advice in the following areas to help develop their business skills:
*Customer Service
*Sales Techniques
*Marketing Strategies
*Sales Training
*Team Leadership
*Recruitment
*Business Operations
*Business Management

Our Company offers:
* Access to Full Product Training
* Personal Stability/ Business Progression
* Individual Evaluations
* Travel Opportunities


*** www.jpkadvertisingltd.com ***

No experience is necessary as we provide advice and insight to all the areas listed above. Due to the number of people looking for an opportunity on our programme in Merseyside, we are only accepting applications from candidates currently living in or near Merseyside. If you are planning to relocate to Mersreyside in the near future, please refrain from applying until you are available for an interview in person.







People from all backgrounds seeking fulltime opportunities in the following areas are encouraged to inquire about our program: sales, customer service, part time, manager, accounting, marketing, clerical, management, human resources, security, administrative assistant, purchasing, administrative, receptionist, retail, sports teams, entry level, education, finance, director, telecommunication, training, insurance, project manager, teacher, banking, restaurant, public relations, secretary, office assistant, hotel, accountant, account executive, supervisor, advertising, fraternity, MBA, office manager, sales manager, field representative, sports oriented, project management, hospitality, team player, professional, bartender, hospitality, travel, promotional advertising, recruiter, junior executive, account manager, sports, sorority, cashier, business development, promotional sales, sales management, management training
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Old 18-12-2008, 4:11 PM   #29
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Im gutted to say that i fell for the KPJ scam.

I wont go into details as i have done on another post.

BUT there is one weakness to this "system", and that is human emotion and feeling.

The only way I was freed from the blatent brainwashing was because i got close with a "trainee manager" who could no longer feed me lies and bull-!!!! so told me to search Jesse Young on google. He is the owner of ProSales, mother company to all these scammy companies like KPJ. What i read made me never go back to work there again.

Im glad though because now im free and work for a real company earning real money that i will get whether i get sales or not. I dont do sales, but u kno wot i mean.
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Old 18-12-2008, 9:33 PM   #30
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EA Worldwide Acquisitions, Ltd. is training individuals for entry level sales and marketing opportunities.

EA Worldwide Acquisitions, Ltd. does NOT work with sports teams, but we are looking for someone with a sports mentality... someone who loves competition and is a team player.

We are an outsourced sales and marketing firm working with large corporations to help them improve their existing customer retention and increase their consumer base. The increased competition in their industries has created a need for innovative marketing techniques.

We provide in-house training, travel opportunities, as well as the opportunity for advancement. Pay based upon individual performance. Strong communications skills are a must.


Submit your resume to admin@eaworldwide.co.uk or visit us on the web at www.eaworldwide.co.uk

Requirements
Candidates must be:
*Hardworking and Ambitious*
*Team player, sports-minded, possess outstanding communication/people skills!*
*Extremely energetic, highly self-motivated, and strong desire to advance.*


NO EXPERIENCE NEEDED, WE REQUIRE ALL INDIVIDUALS RECEIVE OUR COMPREHENSIVE HANDS-ON EDUCATIONN STARTING AT ENTRY LEVEL. We promote 100% from within our company so every individual begins training at entry level. THIS POSITION IS FULL-TIME!



"even with broken wings you can still find a way to fly"
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Old 19-12-2008, 12:29 AM   #31
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EA Worldwide Acquisitions, Ltd. is training individuals for entry level sales and marketing opportunities.
Once agen, you've clearly found yet another branch of the much hated but not widely enough known PROSALES!

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Old 19-12-2008, 5:12 PM   #32
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You can add Direct Media Marketing (DMM) to the list of other names for this company - they were / are operating in the South West - same set up - although I don't remember any names - I walked out on the 2nd interview.

Also not something I have read in this thread yet - at DMM they paid you two weeks after you worked - and no pay if you quit - so it made the decision to quit harder for those who started. I know this cos my boyfriend worked for them for 1 or 2 days - but never got paid.

On my second interview, my 'trainer' demonstrated his lack of intelligence - and to be honest his arguement as to why all companies were 'pyramid schemes' in reality was quite funny!
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Your right Flutter, they do pay two weeks to a month later and won't pay if you leave. (Of corse that onli matters if you actuali make money ;P)

They had 2 pay me in the end bcoz i was unemployed agen wen i left and went in everyday demanding pay. I consider it a nuisance bribe

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Old 16-01-2009, 12:41 AM   #34
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Default Kevin o neil is a !!!!!!!

Jonboy jst read thru ur post u are spot on word for word what they are like its exactly what happen to me i ave jst spent a gd 20 mins readn thru all these posts and they are so true i feel a fool jst fallin for kevin o neil tricks on my first day he sed it was an interview n made me sign sumfin 2 say tht i wudnt get paid, ye my !!!! it was an interview turning in2 a 9hr shift!! then his next trick was sayin he wud pay me £25 for each training day but 4got 2 inform me tht the training days turned in2 an 11hr shift! so even if he did decide to pay me it is actually illegal how much he is payin me cz its under the minimum wage. so i quit the next day n nw he is refusing to pay me n sed it is commision onli bt failed 2 mention tht any other time i hope is company goes to hell n sum1 blows the !!!!!!!s up!! n does sumfin bout this he does this day in day out n theres noffin we can do i wish we cud jst put a stop to this so no other poor person gets caught up in the same trap we did!!! i cnt believe i was fool and believe'd every word he sed !! da brain washin scandal!! sad !!!!!!!s offered u lunch every day n a coffee to make sure u stay!!! am glad am out of the !!!! hole now and wen i told him on my 3rd day i quit he reply " your best goin if you cnt hack it" haha nt tht i cnt hack it am just not a mug who knocks on doors for 11 hours a day !!! and to top it off my trainee txtd me sayin am a loser!!! for qutin!! jee i feel sorry for who next applys!!!
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Sorry but I didn't understand a word of that. Could you write it again in English please?
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I have a second interview on Monday. after reading all the comments I don't think I'm going want to work at this sort of company.

However after reading all the other comments I'm going to go anyway. I'm free on Monday anyway! also i'm going to take my digital recorder so i can get audio proof.

will post a link up on here soon after!
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The Coulson Corparation, in Newcastle, are part of this too (I think) if not they are very, very similar. I have been looking for a job high and low after graduating, and after applying for everyting else, I decided to appy to this one too. They rang me back within a couple of hours to give me an interview the next day. The job description said 1200 - 2k a month, and the fact they had so many ads, every month saying they had amazing oppurtunites mad me feel a little uneasy about the whole thing. So I researched them and found they were basicaly brain washers who got u to work all hours under the sun for pittance. Just google "Coulson Corparation Scam. After reading it I was quite upset! But I didnt go to the interview. Though I was tempted just to tell them what I had found out and give them a piece of my mind!
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Hello all,

I have alot of info on EVERY company that are similar!!!

Jonboy69, I managed to get a 'copy' of the contract after being rushed thru signing it. I asked for a 'copy' of what I had just signed and think for that reason was not told 'the jobs not for me' (or Steve was desparate and wanted me to work) Just wonder what to do with it and how it could help anyone from getting involved!!

Coulson Cororation Ltd
1st Floor,
Sunco House,
Carliol Square,
Newcastle Upon-Tyne,
NE1 6UF

The MD is a guy called David/Dave Coulson.

This company is def connected to all the similar ones talked about.

I think I'm going to go and find the lads that were in my 'pre-managment meeting' on sat if they even went back, and will 'pitch' any young lads/lasses standing outside waiting to become brain washed into thinking they WILL be a 'Owner' 1 day, that this is what will happen.........

I, with anyones help, tho I will do it on my own, either way will be pushing to get this company OUT of my city!!!

I find it funny how the moment I walked in the office they were selling me the job, yet the whole time I was simply playing them!!!!

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Im sure all these marketing companies are part of the Cobra Marketing Group.

Anyhow, i'd stay away. I always hear nightmare stories about them.
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thats great that you have a copy of the paperwork! That piece of paper is basically how these scam artists get away with working you like a dog without having to pay you!
You are rushed through it and told that it doesn't matter and its not important. However it is the most important thing you will sign!
These marketing companies claim to have massive "blue chip clients" which is bull****.
I bet in the interview they dropped names like AXA, MBNA Bank of America, BSKYB, Warner Bros, Pizza Hut etc.
These companies have their backs pretty well covered, all exept for making absurd claims that they have these companies as clients.
Maybe we could let these companies know that there are shady scamming companies associating themselves with them. Im sure these companies would like to protect their brand and ensure that they are not associated with them! what dya think?

Business advertising ltd

Kevin O'neill

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Bixteth Street,
Liverpool.
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