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Hi folks,

We've just got our hands on a copy of this so thought i'd post it nice and prominently to keep people in the loop - all seems pretty positive at first glance
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Dear Icesave account holder

Icesave accounts with the London branch of Landsbanki Islands hf

This email has been sent to you because records available to us indicate that you hold an account with Icesave. If you do not hold such an account, please contact us by email at enquiries@fscs.org.uk

The Financial Services Compensation Scheme (FSCS) is pleased to confirm the arrangements by which account holders with Icesave will be paid compensation. This will be done through a streamlined electronic process using the bank account that was nominated by you for the purpose of receiving funds from your Icesave account.

Icesave was operated by the UK branch of Landsbanki Islands hf, an Icelandic bank, which stopped doing business on 7 October 2008 and, for the purpose of claims to the FSCS, was declared to be in default on 8 October 2008. Depositors with Icesave are protected for the first part of their loss by the Icelandic Depositors’ and Investors’ Guarantee Fund (DIGF) and for the next part of their loss (up to £50,000) by the FSCS. On 8 October 2008, the Chancellor of the Exchequer confirmed that all depositors with Icesave would be paid their deposits in full, including what they are entitled to from the DIGF and the FSCS and any amounts above the maximum compensation payable by the FSCS.

This communication sets out the basis on which compensation will be paid to you. The full payment will be arranged by the FSCS, although HM Treasury (HMT) will in the first instance fund amounts to which depositors are entitled from the DIGF and, if applicable, amounts above the current FSCS limit of £50,000. Depositors will be paid without needing to submit a separate application either to HMT or the DIGF.

We will be using the existing Icesave website to pay compensation. You may notice that the website looks a bit different. This is because we have removed some of the images on the website to improve its performance during the electronic payment process. The website will be unavailable this week whilst we develop it to pay compensation. Please also be aware that the log on process will be the same as usual and although you will be asked to confirm your nominated account details you will not be asked to provide these details.

As noted above, compensation will be paid into your nominated account (that is the linked account you nominated for your account with Icesave). Although instructions received via the Icesave website on or before 7 October 2008 to change the details of that nominated account will be processed, no further changes will be possible if you wish to receive payment in this way. This is for your security.

We are aware that some customers will not be able to take part in the electronic payment process for a variety of reasons, such as not having a nominated account set up, or where notification has already been given to Icesave that the account holder is deceased. We have tried to identify these account holders and will begin sending out application forms to them from mid-November 2008 onwards. If you fall into this category, you do not need to take any further action at this time. The non-electronic process will be slower (we aim to complete this process as far as possible within 6 weeks of receipt of a completed application form), but you will receive the same amount of compensation no matter which process you use (unless you hold a fixed rate savings account and opt to await payment until the end of the term).

The Icesave systems were not designed to pay all deposits at once. The electronic payment process will be phased to manage the demands on the systems and in the interests of security. Over the next three to four weeks, depositors will be sent a further email inviting them to initiate the payment process. These emails will be phased and sent in batches. Once you have received this invitation email, please log in and follow the instructions on the Icesave website as soon as possible after receiving your invitation email. If you do not receive this second email by 4 December, please contact Icesave’s Customer Services Helpline on 0845 605 8050.

This electronic payment process will operate on the following basis:

You will need to log on and access your account as usual. The same security measures will apply, including your User ID, unique password and memorable information. You will be guided through a process where you will be asked to confirm the balance of your Icesave account, and then make your application for compensation. This process will take a short while to complete, and you should be paid your compensation within five working days of completing the application.

For instant access account holders, you will be able to be paid into your selected nominated account. You will be paid the principal sum and interest accrued up to and including 7 October 2008.

For ISA holders, the same process will apply as for instant access account holders. An ISA certificate will follow by post to allow you to reinvest that sum in an ISA with another provider. The money you held in your ISA will not lose its tax-free status if you reinvest by 5 April 2009. You should receive your ISA certificate within 2 weeks of claiming compensation using the electronic process and you will have to give this certificate to your new ISA provider when you open your ISA with them. You should ask for an ISA transfer form from your new ISA provider.

For fixed rate savings account holders, Icesave offered a range of accounts which are not repayable in full before their maturity (in some cases for up to three years). If you wish, you will be able to use the same electronic payment process to be paid the principal sum plus interest on that sum up to and including 7 October 2008. In other words, you do not have to wait until the end of the fixed term to have your money back. As above, payment will be made to your selected nominated account. On the other hand, if you prefer to wait until the end of the fixed term, and receive interest which would have been due at maturity, the electronic process option is not available to you. However, you should still log on to the website and tick the appropriate box to confirm that this is your wish. At that time, we will be notified that you wish to wait until the end of the fixed term and we will then send you an application form to complete and return to the FSCS. As described above, this process will be slower, although we aim to complete this process so far as possible within 6 weeks of receipt of a completed application form, with payment following the maturity date of the account. You should also be aware that if you hold a fixed rate savings account that pays interest on a monthly, quarterly, or annual basis, and you decide to hold that account until maturity, you will not be paid any interest prior to maturity.

If the account you hold with Icesave is a joint account, the invitation email will be sent to the first named account holder, in accordance with the account terms and conditions. This will enable your joint savings to be paid to the first named account holder. As described above, electronic payment will be made to your selected nominated account. If you do not wish payment to be made in accordance with the account terms and conditions, you will need to inform the FSCS and we will send you a paper-based application form to complete.


When you access the Icesave website to proceed with the payment process, you will be asked to confirm your identity and the details of your selected nominated account. In addition, before the payment can be made, you will be asked to confirm that you accept the payment in satisfaction of your claim for compensation against the FSCS, and to confirm the transfer of your claims against the DIGF, Landsbanki Islands hf or any other party in connection with your Icesave account to the FSCS. This will enable the FSCS to seek to recover the cost of paying compensation to you from the DIGF, Landsbanki Islands hf or any other relevant party.

We hope that this communication has explained what to expect. Please now wait for the next email which will invite you to seek payment of compensation. You do not need to do anything more until you receive your next email.

We believe this electronic payment process best meets the needs of the vast majority of Icesave account holders by offering a relatively quick payment mechanism and avoiding the inconvenience of completing paper application forms and awaiting payment by cheque.

If you have any questions, please contact FSCS’s Customer Helpline on 0845 7300 131 (Icesave enquiries only). If you have any queries regarding the online operation of your Icesave account, please contact Icesave’s Customer Services Helpline on 0845 605 6050.

Yours faithfully

FSCS
Former MSE team member
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Comments

  • Even once it was clear that there were potential problems with Icesave I was very reluctant to close my ISA as I did not want to lose the tax-free status. However late on 5 October I could see that collapse was inevitable and did take action to withdraw almost all that money using CHAPS, which came through successfully on 6 October.

    Understandably all the focus in the numerous Icesave threads in this forum has been on those whose money was still in an Icesave account when the bank collapsed. However, I took last minute action to pre-empt the loss of my ISA funds. The FSCS guidance does not address this issue, as they are concerned with paying compensation to those who had lost money.

    I think it would be grossly unfair if I was left worse off than if I had actually left the money in the account and had required compensation.

    It would be good to get confirmation that you are actually going to raise this issue - if necessary with the Treasury - if you have not already done so.
  • Mowerman wrote: »
    Even once it was clear that there were potential problems with Icesave I was very reluctant to close my ISA as I did not want to lose the tax-free status. However late on 5 October I could see that collapse was inevitable and did take action to withdraw almost all that money using CHAPS, which came through successfully on 6 October.

    Understandably all the focus in the numerous Icesave threads in this forum has been on those whose money was still in an Icesave account when the bank collapsed. However, I took last minute action to pre-empt the loss of my ISA funds. The FSCS guidance does not address this issue, as they are concerned with paying compensation to those who had lost money.

    I think it would be grossly unfair if I was left worse off than if I had actually left the money in the account and had required compensation.

    It would be good to get confirmation that you are actually going to raise this issue - if necessary with the Treasury - if you have not already done so.

    Well... icesavers have lost the interest since accounts were frozen. Odds are it will add up to at least 2 months of lost interest.

    While unfortunate, I think calling the relatively minor loss of ISA status 'grossly unfair' is a bit exaggerated. A lot of people suffered serious problems from being completely unable to access their money - especially for those who had earmarked it for specific things. Add to that the anxiety that many suffered of thinking they may actually lose their money (or at least be without it for considerably longer than it seems it will turn out to take.)

    Paying back people who are out of pocket should, and will, take priority over people concerned about a percentage or two of interest.
  • Reaper
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    I see you decided to chop off this bit from the end of the letter:
    This e-mail and the information it contains may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for the intended addressee(s) only. The unauthorised use, disclosure or copying of this e-mail, or any information it contains, is prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offence. If you are not an intended recipient, please notify us immediately.
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    [/FONT][/FONT]Others who posted the letter have had their posts removed - has this disclosure been authorised?
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  • K9ine
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    Well... icesavers have lost the interest since accounts were frozen. Odds are it will add up to at least 2 months of lost interest.
    While unfortunate, I think calling the relatively minor loss of ISA status 'grossly unfair' is a bit exaggerated. A lot of people suffered serious problems from being completely unable to access their money - especially for those who had earmarked it for specific things. Add to that the anxiety that many suffered of thinking they may actually lose their money (or at least be without it for considerably longer than it seems it will turn out to take.)
    Paying back people who are out of pocket should, and will, take priority over people concerned about a percentage or two of interest.

    Losing ISA status will far exceed a pitiful two months interest!!! I have approx £25,000 with Icesave so will lose approx £140 interest per month ie. appros £250 for nearly two months. When I first transferred my ISA from Bradford&Bingley last year I vaguely remember that I calculated I would get at least £200 extra over a year, so I have not lost much interest overall.

    However if I had been worried enough to withdraw my money like Mowerman then I may have lost the tax free status for evermore (not just for this year) ie £300 variable interest every year from now on plus compounding. So in just ten years I may have lost £3000. I hope and believe that people who withdrew their ISAs will also get an 'ISA Certificate' with the ability to reinvest the withdrawn ISA before next tax year.
  • The icesave email states that those with fixed rate bonds may wish not to claim until the maturity date. There is no mention of an interest rate during this period. If no interest then seems like a no brainer. If interest is added at original rate then better than now available elsewhere.
  • Hello
    Have picked up the email message today from the FSCS. Just to say to you all - be careful - if you have a spam filter as ferocious as ours - ours went directly into the junk mail with a spam header and I would have missed had I not gone onto the FSCS site and known they were around! I have fished it out but need to be careful looking out for the note in the coming weeks telling me it is my turn to retrieve funds!
  • akh43
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    bilbof wrote: »
    Hello
    Have picked up the email message today from the FSCS. Just to say to you all - be careful - if you have a spam filter as ferocious as ours - ours went directly into the junk mail with a spam header and I would have missed had I not gone onto the FSCS site and known they were around! I have fished it out but need to be careful looking out for the note in the coming weeks telling me it is my turn to retrieve funds!

    Mine went straight to junk as well (hotmail), if I hadn't been expecting it I might have missed it.
  • Deanevans wrote: »
    The icesave email states that those with fixed rate bonds may wish not to claim until the maturity date. There is no mention of an interest rate during this period. If no interest then seems like a no brainer. If interest is added at original rate then better than now available elsewhere.

    Quote from email as per OP :

    On the other hand, if you prefer to wait until the end of the fixed term, and receive interest which would have been due at maturity, the electronic process option is not available to you


    Quote from link :

    17. If I choose to keep my fixed rate savings account, can I still have my interest paid monthly?
    If you hold a fixed rate savings account that pays interest on a monthly, quarterly, or annual basis, and you decide to hold that account until maturity, you will not be paid any interest prior to maturity. All interest will be paid after maturity.

    http://www.fscs.org.uk/faq/icesave_faqs/

    Cheers

    Kevin
  • I just can't believe that a correct interpretation is that if you hold to maturity you will receive interest at the FTD rate from the point of collapse to the point of maturity. This makes no sense at all.

    Even I as an IceSave 'victim' can't believe that this would either be required by FSCS regs or is ethically required.

    its also completely incompatible with ensuring that interest is paid on standard accounts up to the pont of 7/10 but not beyond.
  • Baldur
    Baldur Posts: 6,565 Forumite
    I just can't believe that a correct interpretation is that if you hold to maturity you will receive interest at the FTD rate from the point of collapse to the point of maturity. This makes no sense at all.

    Even I as an IceSave 'victim' can't believe that this would either be required by FSCS regs or is ethically required.

    its also completely incompatible with ensuring that interest is paid on standard accounts up to the pont of 7/10 but not beyond.
    It's clearer in the general FSCS Deposit Claims FAQs http://www.fscs.org.uk/consumer/FAQs/Deposit_claims_FAQs/
    8. Will you compensate me for any interest I have earned on my account? Interest owed to the depositor as at the date the bank is declared "in default" by FSCS will be paid as part of the compensation amount. Notice accounts will be paid as if notice had been served on the day the account was frozen and payment will be made, including interest, at the end of the notice period. Fixed term accounts will be paid at the maturity date with the interest that would have been paid by the bank at maturity date.
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