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IP address reveals home location - how to conceal?

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  • isofa
    isofa Posts: 6,091 Forumite
    edited 2 November 2009 at 5:39PM
    aidso wrote: »
    Guys this isnt anything to do with your IP address - your IP is dynamic and only has a lifetime of about 48hours before it is assigned to someone else.

    Some IP addresses are static, others dynamic, depends on your setup and ISP.
    Most ADSL are dynamic, unless you've opted for a static package, but many cable ones are semi-static, and could be permanently static if requested/paid for. Plenty of users report having the same IP for months, Google it.
    aidso wrote: »
    The address they are using is infact your network address coming from the modem itself. For example i am on Virgin Media and my address will be something like "33-22-33.belf.pop3.com".

    Routers and any devices have unique addresses, but again nothing to do with POP. All Ethernet devices have an Ethernet ID (or MAC address), and this is unique, but this isn't available (unless you have very bad security) to web pages etc.

    aidso wrote: »
    All that means is that I am on the pop3 server in Belfast. There is no identification of my house other than where that pop3 server is located and if you can get to within 30 metres then its a pure flook.

    Your POP3 server is your mail server, it has nothing to do with your connection. A POP3 server does not give a internet connection, it gives a mail collection service only. SMTP is used normally for sending.
  • elvch01
    elvch01 Posts: 341 Forumite
    aidso wrote: »
    Guys this isnt anything to do with your IP address - your IP is dynamic and only has a lifetime of about 48hours before it is assigned to someone else.
    The address they are using is infact your network address coming from the modem itself. For example i am on Virgin Media and my address will be something like "33-22-33.belf.pop3.com".

    All that means is that I am on the pop3 server in Belfast. There is no identification of my house other than where that pop3 server is located and if you can get to within 30 metres then its a pure flook.

    As a matter of curiosity, did the pop up look like an MSN alert but appeared in the bottom right of the browser rather than the desktop?

    Not so, the "...belf.pop3.com" is simply a reverse DNS lookup from your IP address and is NOT defined by the modem/router. IP addresses are assigned in blocks and the appropriate internet registry will have location details for each block allocated to an ISP. It is simply this data that is being queried by the advertisers.

    My talktalk IP address always appearsto come from London. When I switched from 20Mb to 50Mb with Virgin, for about 3 months, my IP address appeared to come from Manchester, but now appears to come from Reading (close to where I actually live).

    There are many site which allow you to lok up the registratiuon details for a particular IP address/block and there is nothing sinister about them at all. In fac I have to raise a glass to thye advertisers for trying to better target their offerings to me
    Chris Elvin
  • redux
    redux Posts: 22,976 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Name Dropper
    From this discussion it looks like dynamic IPs aren't fixed in place at all. I've noticed being in Stevenage Dorking and Aylesbury amongst other places, and Market Deeping last night. I've just swapped ISP in the last hour, apparently moving from Chingford to a reservoir in the middle of some moorland near Skipton
  • redux wrote: »
    ... to a reservoir in the middle of some moorland near Skipton

    I guess you've moved to O2 access (my location tracks the same)...seriously consider taking them up on their 30 day get-out clause, try watching streaming video @8pm to understand why..
    :(
    Utinam logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant.
  • aidso
    aidso Posts: 142 Forumite
    Jeez you attempt to help someone and the knives come out:

    "That is totally inaccurate for the majority of Virgin Media cable users - many of who keep the same IP for months on end." - I beg to differ. There are a finitie number of IP addresses in the world and you would only be able to maintain a static IP if you were paying for it. By default all IP addresses are DHCP allocated and therefore the OP above will have a dynamic IP.

    Re: "Your POP3 server is your mail server, it has nothing to do with your connection. A POP3 server does not give a internet connection, it gives a mail collection service only. SMTP is used normally for sending." - You sir are an idiot else you have misread my post. That was merely an example of my network address and was infact co-incidence that my 4-letter UBR matched an SMTP server setting. It had absolutely nothing to do with Email whatsoever.

    I only have Virgin Media cable in the house, but having worked as a DBA for BT I know exactly how the system works.....now back on topic.
  • aidso
    aidso Posts: 142 Forumite
    You're no longer on my Christmas Card list :) <--Safety wink
  • isofa
    isofa Posts: 6,091 Forumite
    aidso wrote: »
    Jeez you attempt to help someone and the knives come out:

    - I beg to differ. There are a finitie number of IP addresses in the world and you would only be able to maintain a static IP if you were paying for it. By default all IP addresses are DHCP allocated and therefore the OP above will have a dynamic IP.

    You sir are an idiot else you have misread my post. That was merely an example of my network address and was infact co-incidence that my 4-letter UBR matched an SMTP server setting. It had absolutely nothing to do with Email whatsoever.

    I only have Virgin Media cable in the house, but having worked as a DBA for BT I know exactly how the system works.....now back on topic.

    The only knives coming out appear from you... my original post should have read "most cable IPs are semi-static".

    Yes, they are allocated dynamically, but AFAIK the DCHP lease on VM IPs is 14 days, effectively giving you a semi-static IP for this period, unless something major affect MAC to force a change in that period. Many people report having the same IP for months as long as their router is powered up, a quick Google will show.

    Odd coincidence re. your NA, still does that give you the right to be rude?

    Pity whilst at BT, you didn't learn some manners. :rolleyes:
  • aidso
    aidso Posts: 142 Forumite
    Nope, it doesnt. I apologise.
  • isofa
    isofa Posts: 6,091 Forumite
    Fair enough :beer:
  • jackieb
    jackieb Posts: 27,605 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Combo Breaker
    tweeter wrote: »
    GeoIP: http://www.geoip.co.uk/

    Shows I'm in Manchester not London. :confused:


    That shows i'm in Glasgow. I'm actually nearly 200 miles away from there.
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