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Joint tennants or tennants in common?

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Hi just wanted other people opinions over the pros/cons of holding property as either joint tennants or tennants in common. We are moving and have been asked this by our solicitor. We do own another property as tennants in common in order to reduce potential inheritance tax liability at a later date, although I now believe this doesn't matter as if the IHT free amount is not passed on one the first death it is on the second (if that makes sense). Therefore I'm wondering what the advantages/disadvantages of each ownership is? Any ideas?
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  • anselld
    anselld Posts: 8,646 Forumite
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    There doesnt seem much either way from IHT viewpoint. What is the purpose of this ownership? If Buy To Let then there can be advantages depending on who is a high rate tax payer. Tennant in common allows you to vary the proportions of ownership other than 50-50, eg 99-1 in favour of low rate tax payer.
  • localhero
    localhero Posts: 834 Forumite
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    The decision rests on your desire as to who should own your share of the property when you die.

    If you want the other co-owner(s) to own the property when you die (and vice versa) then you own it as joint tenants. This will override what your Will says if you have one.

    If instead you don't want the other co owner to own it when you die then you own it as tenants in common. In which case it is essential that you draw up a Will to specify who should inherit your share.

    For example a group of friends buying a property together are likely to want their family to inherit their share if they died rather than their friends - so opt for tenancy in common.

    Couples who fear that their surviving spouse/partner might remarry/have more children/waste their inheritance/require long term care after they've died and therefore disinherit their children (particularly where there are children from a previous relationship) might also opt to own as tenants in common.

    It really depends on the individual circumstances. Remember also that you can convert from joint tenants to tenants in common relatively easily later on if your circumstances change.

    One advantage of owning the property as joint tenants is that the remaining co-owner(s) will not be required to obtain a grant of probate to receive the property on the death of a co-owner in contrast to the position where the property is owned as tenants in common.
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  • alm721
    alm721 Posts: 728 Forumite
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    Ok thanks for that. We have pretty straightforward situation. We are married with 2 kids, no stepkids etc and this house will be our home as opposed to a buy to let or anything. Sounds like joint tennants may be better then I think.
  • You are probably better as joint tenants although it would have helped if in the original post you had said you were married as it makes quite a difference because you get two sets of IHT allowances so on the second death (if the first to die hadn't given anything in his/her will to anyone but the surviving spouse) at the moment the threshold is effectively £624,000 on the death of the survivor.

    Being tenants in common used to assist with IHT because it meant that the first to die of a married couple could leave up to the threshold to someone else (typically in trust for the children) - that made the second spouse that much poorer and reduced the tax liability on the second death - there would be none on the first death. Thi sis no longer necessary.
    RICHARD WEBSTER

    As a retired conveyancing solicitor I believe the information given in the post to be useful assuming any properties concerned are in England/Wales but I accept no liability for it.
  • alm721
    alm721 Posts: 728 Forumite
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    Yes would have helped if I'd said I was married, must re read my posts, sorry. Thanks for the reply that was the main reason I understtod for being tennants in common and thought now that the iht rules have changed allowing 624k to pass on on the second death it doesn't to be as important, in our situation anyway.
  • alm721 wrote:
    just wanted other people opinions over the pros/cons of holding property as either joint tennants or tennants in common. We are moving and have been asked this by our solicitor.

    The solicitor really should have explained all this to you - do they not bother these days? :confused:
  • alm721
    alm721 Posts: 728 Forumite
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    He did say we'd dicuss it when we meet. I was just trying to get my head around it before we saw him.
    Thanks
  • alm721 wrote:
    He did say we'd dicuss it when we meet.

    Then why on earth did he ask you in advance how you wanted to own the property? Surely he/she should have said, "At the meeting I will explain the difference between joint tenants and tenants in common?"

    Here's your original post:
    alm721 wrote:
    We are moving and have been asked this by our solicitor.

    I just find it incredible that you had to resort to an internet discussion board to find out something that at the end of the day is extremely important. :eek:
  • Richard_Webster
    Richard_Webster Posts: 7,646 Forumite
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by alm721
    He did say we'd dicuss it when we meet.

    Then why on earth did he ask you in advance how you wanted to own the property? Surely he/she should have said, "At the meeting I will explain the difference between joint tenants and tenants in common?"

    Here's your original post:

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by alm721
    We are moving and have been asked this by our solicitor.

    I just find it incredible that you had to resort to an internet discussion board to find out something that at the end of the day is extremely important. :eek:
    Leaving it to a meeting when the contracts etc will be signed means that if the buyers want to think through things and perhaps have some sort of trust deed drawn up to reflect unequal shares, there could be a further delay. This means that if they are thinking of having a deed of trust or something like that then they warn me beforehand and I can have it prepared at an earlier stage.

    I send out a note to any people buying together right at the beginning explaining the basic differences between joint tenants and tenants in common and particularly if the couple are unmarried, I follow this up with more information in the pre-contract report that I ask they read before they ask me any questions. I don't want to sit in front of a couple of buyers boring them silly going through every detail. I put it in writing then they can ask about things they don't understand, which is much better.
    RICHARD WEBSTER

    As a retired conveyancing solicitor I believe the information given in the post to be useful assuming any properties concerned are in England/Wales but I accept no liability for it.
  • Fair enough, you've made your pitch. It just seems to me like the OP has just been asked to decide without being given any literature in advance which strikes me as very sloppy on the part of the solicitor.
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