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Stagnation, I can smell it. Sort of Minotaur me ;-)
I still don't see how FTBs can continuiously find these 30K+ deposits from now on where it was normal to find a 5-10k deposit prior to 2007. 30K would of bought most FTBs a 2 bed terraced house outright prior to 2003 in the vast majority of towns and cities. Now 30k would be a deposit for a better interest rate on your borrowed sum.I earn quite a bit above the average wage and I'm finding it hard to save more than a few hundred quid each month with the rapid rising costs of food, petrol, gas etc etc. So if house prices are rising again now, I'm going to find it near on impossible to find a bigger deposit to get anything near a decent rate. God knows what its like for single people and families who earn under the average wage etc.0 -
I still don't see how FTBs can continuiously find these 30K+ deposits from now on where it was normal to find a 5-10k deposit prior to 2007. 30K would of bought most FTBs a 2 bed terraced house outright prior to 2003 in the vast majority of towns and cities. Now 30k would be a deposit for a better interest rate on your borrowed sum.I earn quite a bit above the average wage and I'm finding it hard to save more than a few hundred quid each month with the rapid rising costs of food, petrol, gas etc etc. So if house prices are rising again now, I'm going to find it near on impossible to find a bigger deposit to get anything near a decent rate. God knows what its like for single people and families who earn under the average wage etc.
I read somewhere (and was posted on here) that 80% of those people got it from their parents.
Hence being able to go from 10k average deposit to over 30k average deposit "just like that".0 -
I still don't see how FTBs can continuiously find these 30K+ deposits from now on where it was normal to find a 5-10k deposit prior to 2007. 30K would of bought most FTBs a 2 bed terraced house outright prior to 2003 in the vast majority of towns and cities. Now 30k would be a deposit for a better interest rate on your borrowed sum.I earn quite a bit above the average wage and I'm finding it hard to save more than a few hundred quid each month with the rapid rising costs of food, petrol, gas etc etc. So if house prices are rising again now, I'm going to find it near on impossible to find a bigger deposit to get anything near a decent rate. God knows what its like for single people and families who earn under the average wage etc.
Sounds like you could do with going to the DFW board and seeing how you can reduce your outgoings.
Don't take it the wrong way, I sometimes think I too have very high outgoings and re-assess the priorities and living requirements.
You'll be amazed how much you can save simply by asking yourself the question "Do I really need this?" before purchasing.
Sometimes I think we as a society spend frivolously possibly compensating for losing out on something else in life:wall:
What we've got here is....... failure to communicate.
Some men you just can't reach.
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the_ash_and_the_oak wrote: »Don't really understand this. When it was council stock none of it was for sale. Now those houses are available to buy and sell. Surely this has added houses to the buy/sell pool rather than taken them away?
Council houses were an alternate option to many who are now forced to rent (pushing up returns for BTL landlords and hence their desire to buy houses), or of course buy houses (upward pressure on HP). Under RTB councils no longer had an incentive to build social houses, literally overnight the biggest house builders in the country (councils) stopped building, ergo house shortage, ergo HP>Freedom is the freedom to say that 2+2 = 4 (George Orwell, 1984).
(I desire) ‘a great production that will supply all, and more than all the people can consume’,
(Sylvia Pankhurst).0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »I read somewhere (and was posted on here) that 80% of those people got it from their parents.
Hence being able to go from 10k average deposit to over 30k average deposit "just like that".
To clarify, the CML report said it was for young FTBers i.e. under 30 and the reason was because of the tighter lending criteria requirement of a 75% LTV.
As it appears that higher LTV's are becoming available, we could see this short term trend change:wall:
What we've got here is....... failure to communicate.
Some men you just can't reach.
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IveSeenTheLight wrote: »To clarify, the CML report said it was for young FTBers i.e. under 30 and the reason was because of the tighter lending criteria requirement of a 75% LTV.
As it appears that higher LTV's are becoming available, we could see this short term trend change
Agree with this - its pretty logical really. If LTV requirements change then deposit size changes with it. If max LTV was 60% average deposit size would increase (w transactions down) - if it was 100% LTV then deposit size would decrease (w transactions up) - regardless of anything elsePrefer girls to money0 -
IveSeenTheLight wrote: »To clarify, the CML report said it was for young FTBers i.e. under 30 and the reason was because of the tighter lending criteria requirement of a 75% LTV.
As it appears that higher LTV's are becoming available, we could see this short term trend change
Are there that many FTB's over 30? I only know one person who bought their first property aged 30 or over. Also 90% mortgages have been around for a good while. Has the mortgage market changed that much recently?0 -
Are there that many FTB's over 30? I only know one person who bought their first property aged 30 or over. Also 90% mortgages have been around for a good while. Has the mortgage market changed that much recently?
According to this link the average FTB age is over 30:
http://www.ifaonline.co.uk/ifaonline/news/1349455/average-buyer-age-reaches-34Chuck Norris can kill two stones with one birdThe only time Chuck Norris was wrong was when he thought he had made a mistakeChuck Norris puts the "laughter" in "manslaughter".I've started running again, after several injuries had forced me to stop0 -
I still don't see how FTBs can continuiously find these 30K+ deposits from now on where it was normal to find a 5-10k deposit prior to 2007. 30K would of bought most FTBs a 2 bed terraced house outright prior to 2003 in the vast majority of towns and cities. Now 30k would be a deposit for a better interest rate on your borrowed sum.I earn quite a bit above the average wage and I'm finding it hard to save more than a few hundred quid each month with the rapid rising costs of food, petrol, gas etc etc. So if house prices are rising again now, I'm going to find it near on impossible to find a bigger deposit to get anything near a decent rate. God knows what its like for single people and families who earn under the average wage etc.
You are basing this 30k on an average house price NOT an average semi price. Or even an average flat price.
Using an average house price doesn't really work as it really isn't the case for most of the houses in most of the country. I'd like to see an average price for outside London. And then again seperate "averages" for different house types.0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »I read somewhere (and was posted on here) that 80% of those people got it from their parents.
Hence being able to go from 10k average deposit to over 30k average deposit "just like that".
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/propertymarket/wordonthestreet/6563560/Property-TV-shows-switched-on-youngsters.html
These days posters of Kevin McCloud and Phil Spencer have replaced Brad Pitt or Orlando Bloom on the walls of teenage girls’ bedrooms. Ok, perhaps this is a slight exaggeration, but the girls I met at my former school in Dorset last week are avid watchers of property programmes. They race to finish their homework in time for Location Location Location, and are more clued up about the various episodes of Grand Designs than the works of Shakespeare: “Did you see the one of the house in Bath?” one of them asked. Everybody nodded. “I drove past it the other day and it’s still being finished.”
The girl sitting opposite me at lunch looked like she should be an actress or a film star. “I want to do something property related when I leave school,” she said, flicking her hair. “My uncle is a chartered surveyor.” Even the teachers are obsessed: one of them went to the last Grand Designs Live (“Kevin McCloud was fantastic”), while another has bought a bungalow on the coast to refurbish. “We got it for the view,” she explained to a group of attentive girls. “You walk around the corner and there it is.”
Is it not slightly worrying that we are cultivating a generation of property addicts? These girls are growing up on tales of home ownership and costly renovation projects. Not really, according to Sarah Beeny, the presenter of Property Ladder, “It’s good to give people aspirations,” she says. “It’s more positive than going out drinking vodka.” Michael de Pelet of Knight Frank in Sherborne agrees that the younger generation’s enthusiasm for property television programmes can only be seen as a good thing. “Everyone should strive to own their own house rather than blowing all their money on holidays,” he says.
David Adams of estate agency Chesterton Humberts says Sarah Beeny’s programmes, where people buy, renovate and sell properties to make money, have brought people to the market who wouldn’t otherwise have bothered.
Like these teenage girls in Dorset – except most of them will have to wait more than a decade for their Grand Designs moment. University education has become so expensive that young people spend the first years of their working life paying off debts.
A survey of first-time buyers by Miller Homes found that 28 per cent of buyers still believe they will need to save for at least five years before getting their own home; the average age of a first-time buyer is 34, and if current trends continue, by 2039 this will have reached 41.
“The age of First-time buyers is increasing all the time due to high house prices and debilitating legislation such as stamp duty, HIPS and planning regulations,” says Adams.
Unless of course you can put all you’ve gleaned from property television to good use, and convince your parents to buy you a house. Recent figures from the Council of Mortgage Lenders show that 80 per cent of first-timers now get parental help with their mortgage. I can’t help thinking though that teenagers would be better off focusing their attention on Gordon and Jamie rather than Kirstie and Phil; with food programmes there is less risk of getting your fingers burnt.0
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