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  • lstar337
    lstar337 Posts: 3,443 Forumite
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    adindas wrote: »
    Government make mistake and all of the consumers need to bear the cost
    In what situation is this statement not true. :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
  • EachPenny
    EachPenny Posts: 12,239 Forumite
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    Martin, I've got something of a personal question to ask you. For some weeks it has been puzzling me.

    You say -
    ..as does teams of meter readers, theft of gas and electric and bad debts caused by dumb meters also call centres staffed just to try and sort constant billing problems caused by dumb meters from the last century...

    Here's the thing. Most people who face their mode of employment ceasing, or being changed out of all recognition, by technology normally have nothing whatsoever positive to say about that technology. They will lawfully (and unlawfully) resist the implementation of the technology to protect their job.

    You say you are a meter reader (we have no proof of this) and clearly support smart meters (although perhaps limited to the makes/models used by your (former?) employer).

    In supporting smart meters generally you made the statement above making the point that smart meters will remove the cost of paying teams of meter readers. Which will mean you and your colleagues no longer have a job. This makes no sense. What kind of person would cheer on technology they know will make them redundant? Unless perhaps they are near retirement age and don't give a monkeys about their colleagues?

    Or alternatively, they know that whilst people going round reading meters won't be required any more, what will be needed is lots of people to fix the smart meters because being more complex they are more likely to need fixing?

    Because that is the point. All the things in your statement that cost consumers money - meter teams, theft, bad debt, call centres, billing problems - are not unique to 'dumb' meters. So-called 'smart' meters will still need meter teams to install/fix/remove them, theft will remain possible, bad debts will continue, call centres will still be needed (which button do I need to press how many times?), billing problems will remain.

    What will change is the cost of the metering system. The capital (leasing) cost of more complex meters, the running cost of the communications network, the maintenance of the data management system, more frequent replacement of meters.

    This is why it is estimated that the smart meter programme will add £6 a year to consumer bills.

    So the kind of personal question I want to ask is are you really a turkey voting for Christmas, or are you an employee of Smart energy GB who, without authorisation or involvement of the company, figured that offering opinions while pretending to be a meter man (someone the public trusts) would be a great way to promote smart metering?
    "In the future, everyone will be rich for 15 minutes"
  • System
    System Posts: 178,348 Community Admin
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    edited 11 May 2017 at 11:50AM
    Rubidium wrote: »
    No you understand wrong because you are choosing to believing a meter reader who does not know what he is talking about and cannot provide any evidence to back up his ridiculous fantasy claims!

    He should stick to reading meters and stop posting incorrect uncorroborated information at every possible opportunity.

    It makes no sense to accept foundation stage smart meters now, when suppliers will not be permitted to fit these after next year and will then have to fit SMETS2 meters.

    Smart meters do have advantages and should provide accurate bills and make switching suppliers much easier, but only the second generation ones.
    I think my statement saying "MOST people will not be getting a SMETS2 meter in the next 5 years to be 100% correct. I agree with adindas but he/she missed the "most people ".. As soon as SMETS2 become available they will start to fit them..British Gas started fitting smart meters many years ok , over 10 years if I remember right and still they are nowhere near everyone getting them.No more than 50% have been fitted. Both my meters in my new property are dumb meters and the former owner was with BG for many years. So why do people think that they will magically be getting a SMETS2 meter pronto ! That is the reason its costing £11 billion, because its super slow fitting the things. Wages have to be paid, Vans, training, management etc.. My pal is a meter fitter..He gets well paid for fitting maybe one or two meters a day on many days and spends half his time driving hundreds of miles from town to town.. He s not bothered, he s on full wages for listening to Radio 1 in the van all day !
    Are you aware of the speed that suppliers are installing SMETS1 meters. ? Glaciers move faster. This is the UK not Japan and the roll out has been organised by some government official who came up with the bright idea of ordering the suppliers to fit them not the DNOs so they could be in a better position to "talk " customers into accepting them.This is because unlike most of Europe the M.P. s voted to give the people the choice of whether to accept a smart meter..Two massive blunders which is costing an estimated £11 billion falling onto the end user ultimately.
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  • Nortech
    Nortech Posts: 5 Forumite
    Hengus wrote: »
    Screenshot taken.

    I'm not saying "Get a life mate", but I'm thinking it, this is an open discussion.
    Always give the hardest job to the laziest person because they will always find the easiest way to do it.
  • EachPenny
    EachPenny Posts: 12,239 Forumite
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    Nortech wrote: »
    I'm not saying "Get a life mate", but I'm thinking it, this is an open discussion.

    If you read the many other posts in many threads about smart meters you'll probably understand where Hengus is coming from.

    If you have read the posts and still make a comment like that then I'm not saying "Hello Martin, why the second user name?", but I'm thinking it.
    "In the future, everyone will be rich for 15 minutes"
  • EachPenny
    EachPenny Posts: 12,239 Forumite
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    ...Its not fair at all for Hengus to play a sly move like that to the OP. .Theres enough anti smart rubbish on here as it is on here .Last week he was introducing paranoia on cyber attacks.
    The naysayers on here now can only grasp at the stupidity of the worry over "cyber security " as the winning hand in an excuse to refuse what the suppliers want. .... I think its time now to start laughing at them and their ridiculous cyber security b/s.

    Of course cyber attacks on a national scale affecting key infrastructure is nothing but science fiction dreamt up by 'paranoids'. It could never happen... could it.
    NHS services across England and Scotland have been hit by a large-scale cyber-attack, which is being treated as a major incident.

    BBC Website 12/05/2017
    I don't think many people will be laughing in A&E tonight.
    "In the future, everyone will be rich for 15 minutes"
  • McKneff
    McKneff Posts: 38,857 Forumite
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    edited 12 May 2017 at 11:40PM
    Plonker !!

    Not really sure who i am talking to, but say Plonker about 20 times out loud , ...

    An image will appear....
    make the most of it, we are only here for the weekend.
    and we will never, ever return.
  • phillw
    phillw Posts: 5,665 Forumite
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    adindas wrote: »
    Government make mistake and all of the consumers need to bear the cost ????. I think all of them who get involved in this decision making will need to pay part of it taken from their salary for the rest of their life.

    Can we hold people responsible for the way they vote too? If so there are 48% of the people who will be sending bills to the other 52% who were involved in a decision recently.
    adindas wrote: »
    From this post I understand the next generation of smart meter will not come until about five years time, so there is little point point for it ?? AM i Understand it correctly ??

    SMETS2 meters are on their way as the infrastructure for universal smart meters is now in place. The next step is to see whether the current smart meters can be hooked up to the same system with some form of software upgrade.

    These kind of projects rarely run smooth and the government hasn't done a particularly bad job of it in comparison with how they normally do.
  • EachPenny
    EachPenny Posts: 12,239 Forumite
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    phillw wrote: »
    Can we hold people responsible for the way they vote too? If so there are 48% of the people who will be sending bills to the other 52% who were involved in a decision recently.

    I'm sure if the 48% can identify any discernible financial loss to themselves as a direct result of the decision they will feel thoroughly entitled to bill the 52%.

    In that event, the 52% may well feel justified to bill the 48% for having to listen to them bringing that subject up at every opportunity, regardless of whatever the topic of discussion started out as. ;)
    "In the future, everyone will be rich for 15 minutes"
  • Originally due to be having a smart meter fitted at the end of April, however our supplier has put this on hold due to compatibility issues they are having in this area..... No date on a revised fitting date at this time!
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