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Landlord not returning deposit

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  • GuidoT
    GuidoT Posts: 198 Forumite
    Okay will do in about half an hour.
  • GuidoT
    GuidoT Posts: 198 Forumite
    edited 16 March 2011 at 2:02PM
    Final Version below, just check for typos.

    "Dear XXXXX,

    Letter Before Action

    Return of deposit: XXXX Address

    I have telephoned, emailed and texted you on several occasions asking about the return of my deposit of £1200.00 following my departure from XXXX on the 7th February. In particular, I have emailed on the 15 and 23 February, 2 and 7 March 2011. Additionally, I have left at messages both on your mobile phone and at the XXXX offices asking you to contact me. Despite this, you have not contacted me since the 7th February 2011, save an email acknowledging the receipt of my bank details on the 14 February 2011.

    As you should be aware, you are required to place my deposit into an appropriate tenancy deposit scheme within 14 days from the date of receipt of such, you are of course past this date and in any event the term of the tenancy has expired, thus putting the matter beyond doubt that you are now too late to protect the deposit.

    Accordingly you are in breach of section 213 of the Housing Act 2004. Pursuant to sections 214(3) and (4) of the Act you are required to return the original deposit plus a sum of money equal to three times the deposit, thus a total £4,800.00.

    Please remit the sum of £4,800.00 to:
    NAME
    BANK DETAILS

    If you fail to pay the above sum by the 23 March 2011 we will commence legal proceedings to recover the above sum as a debt. From commencement of proceedings you will be incurring an additional liability for our costs in pursing the claim, for any legal advice you may choose to take yourself and for interest on the oustanding sum.
  • kiavvak
    kiavvak Posts: 18 Forumite
    Thank you so much, GuidoT - we are incredibly grateful! It makes a lot of sense starting at £4800 and letting him deal with it from there - makes us sound more serious about it as well, which should help. I think we'll use your amended letter pretty much as is, and see what the 'legal team' come up with in response...

    Thanks once again - we owe you a drink! :beer:
  • GuidoT
    GuidoT Posts: 198 Forumite
    Just corrected a few typos.
  • BitterAndTwisted
    BitterAndTwisted Posts: 22,492 Forumite
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    I'm not happy about claiming three times the deposit in this letter. Under the circumstances I would have warned the LL that the courts have OFTEN imposed 3x the deposit as a PENALTY for non-compliance of registration of the deposit. It's not compensation and the tenant can't claim it unless a court has awarded it first, so it's not reasonable in my opinion to demand it now.
  • GuidoT
    GuidoT Posts: 198 Forumite
    edited 16 March 2011 at 6:51PM
    You say a tenant cannot claim it unless the court has 'awarded' it first, but a court is not going to give you judgement for the 3x unless you claim it in the first instance. Your point is circular. You will generally not get judgement for a sum higher than you are claiming.

    Therefore in the first instance you need to include the 3x in a LBA.

    There is no reason to go soft with a LL, you need to stand up to those that are pushing you around generally and use the tools you have - fortunately for kiavvak parliament in its wisdom has decided to introduce legislation that penalises LLs that mess around with deposits.
  • kiavvak
    kiavvak Posts: 18 Forumite
    Letters got posted off this morning - I think in the end we just requested the 1200 for now.

    So, I guess we just sit tight for a few days now, and see what comes of it. Thanks for all your advice! I'll let you know how we get on.

    K
  • BitterAndTwisted
    BitterAndTwisted Posts: 22,492 Forumite
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    I think you are correct: ask for the deposit to be returned in full but should the LL not pay it then you start court proceedings claiming the full deposit and asking the court to award you the 3x deposit as a penalty.

    Demanding the 3x deposit from the landlord in your Letter Before Action would just get them laughing in your face and quite rightly.
  • kiavvak
    kiavvak Posts: 18 Forumite
    Hello again.

    So, since sending off the LBA we've heard nothing back from the Landlord - sadly no money has dropped through the letterbox! Due to some unrelated personal circumstances, we've only just got started on putting together the information for the court. I've copied in below the wording we are using, and the details of the documents we're thinking of providing. Is there anything we've forgotten about? Comments would be very welcome.

    "The Claimant claims under the Housing Act 2004 section 214(1)(a) that the deposit of £1200 as required in the Assured Shorthold Tenancy originally dated 11th March 2009 in respect of the premises at ADDRESS, made between the Claimant and the Defendant was not paid in to an appropriate tenancy deposit scheme (in breach of section 213 (1) of the Housing Act 2004); or that the Claimant was unable to confirm from the Scheme Administrator of any tenancy deposit scheme that they held the deposit and the Claimant did not received the prescribed information concerning which Tenancy Deposit Scheme was to hold the deposit within 14 days of the Defendants receipt of the deposit (in breach of section 213 (3) of the Housing Act 2004).

    The claimant asks that the court makes an order:

    1. That the person who appears to the court to be holding the deposit of £1200 do repay it to the Claimant, in accordance with section 214(3) of the Housing Act 2004.

    2. That the Defendant do pay to the Claimant, within 14 days of making the order, a sum of money equal to three times the amount of the deposit, in accordance with section 214 (4) of the Housing Act 2004.

    3. The Claimant claims interst under section 69 of the County Courts Act 1984 at the rate of 8.5% a year, from 7th February 2011 to 31st March 2011 of £14.53 and interest at the same rate up to the date of judgment or earlier payment at a daily rate of £0.28.

    The Claimant is therefore seeking payment of £4800, plus court fees and interest.

    The Claimant encloses copies of:
    * the Assured Shorthold Tenancy agreement signed on 11th March 2009 relating to the above named premises. Despite requests (email included), the Defendant failed to provide a copy of the agreement signed by the Defendant;
    * email from the Defendant confirming the start of the Tenancy;
    * email from the Defendant confirming an inspection of the above named property. The email conversation includes a request for documentation from TDS Ltd regarding the protection of the deposit. This documentation was not provided (in breach of section 213 (3) of the Housing Act 2004);
    * confirmations from each of the three Government-approved tenancy deposit schemes that they did not hold the deposit for the above named premises for the entire length of the tenancy;
    * emails sent to the Defendant requesting information about, and return of, the deposit. The Claimant additionally requested the return of the deposit on numerous occasions by voicemail since the end of the tenancy but the Defendant failed to return any calls to made by the Claimant;
    * the Letter Before Action sent on 16th March 2011 to the Defendant's address on the Tenancy agreement (two copies), to the above named premises and to the Defendant's company's address and proof of postage for each letter. The Defendant did not reply to the Letter Before Action.
    * Notes for the Defendant. "
  • GuidoT
    GuidoT Posts: 198 Forumite
    edited 1 April 2011 at 10:37AM
    Before you embark on this process read these links and understand what you are doing.

    http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?244224

    http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?126261-TDS-Court-Claims-Wording(1-Viewing)-nbsp

    http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?155645-TDS-eligibility-implication-of-breach-and-legal-questions-answered

    Be aware of what you are going into, it can become an expensive procedure, in particular if you end up on the fast track (you are below the generally threshold of £5K, but it is not hard and fast) or you make a Part 8 claim (which automatically means costs come into play).

    It is going to be time consuming for you too.

    Because you are issuing proceedings for the 3x you should have included such in you LBA as I advised above.

    Your interest calculations are incorrect, statutory interest is 8%, your rate per day would £1.05p.

    There is no need to include copy documents with your initial claim, the claim form sets out the framework for your case, you will be able to evidence it later in your witness statement and bundle.

    I am not au fait with the current successful strategies, you need to read around to see what others have done and where this has proved successful. This is new law.

    I am not trying to put you off, just want you to be aware of the risks.
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