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Is this CCA enforceable
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compulsivespender79
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Twenty days into their thirty day default period, Lowell Financial have finally acknowledged my CCA request, by sending me my original Crapital One Short Application form, with a few paragraphs at the bottom entitled 'Credit Agreement Regulated by the Consumer Credit Act 1974. However, this 'Credit Agreement' does not include any of the following;
B Repayments
A term stating how the debtor is to discharge his obligations under the agreement to make the repayments, which may be expressed by reference to a combination of any of the following-
(a) Number of repayments;
(b) Amount of repayments;
(c) Frequency and timing of repayments;
(d) Dates of repayments;
(e) The manner in which any of the above may be determined; or in any other way, and any power of the creditor to vary what is payable.
C Rate of interest
A term stating the rate of interest to be applied to the credit issued under the agreement
D Credit limit
This may be a term or the manner in which it will be determined or that there is no credit limit.
Any ideas?
B Repayments
A term stating how the debtor is to discharge his obligations under the agreement to make the repayments, which may be expressed by reference to a combination of any of the following-
(a) Number of repayments;
(b) Amount of repayments;
(c) Frequency and timing of repayments;
(d) Dates of repayments;
(e) The manner in which any of the above may be determined; or in any other way, and any power of the creditor to vary what is payable.
C Rate of interest
A term stating the rate of interest to be applied to the credit issued under the agreement
D Credit limit
This may be a term or the manner in which it will be determined or that there is no credit limit.
Any ideas?
LBM: 14.01.08 - Debt at 25.04.08: £7420.9
25.06.10: 3200.00 :T I'm over half way there!!! :j
'Spendaholics Anonymous' Thread Member No 1
DMP Mutual Support Thread Member No 113
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The terms you quoted are those prescribed by law that a true copy of the properly executed CCA should contain.
If they don't, then it is unenforceable as far as I know.Free/impartial debt advice: National Debtline | StepChange Debt Charity | Find your local CAB
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An application form does not a true CCA make
Naughty, naughty Crapital One for not having the perscribed terms :rolleyes:
Amend letter below as needed:-
Re: my request under s78 of the Consumer Credit Act 1974.
Thank you for your recent letter sent to me dated **DATE**, the contents of which are noted. However, the reply received by me does not fulfil your requirements under the Consumer Credit Act 1974.
The Act demands that I be supplied with a true copy of any properly executed credit agreement that exists in relation to the above account. I may ask for this on demand providing that a fee of £1.00 is paid. This fee was sent with my original letter, dated **DATE**. Upon receipt of the original request the specified account legally entered into disputed status.
My request remains outstanding. An application form does not constitute a true copy of a credit agreement and that which you sent doesn't even contain all the prescribed terms and is not 'properly executed'. The statements sent do not correspond to the amount stated in your earliest correspondence and therefore they do not satisfy the requirement to supply me with a statement of account.
As you will know, under the Consumer Credit Act 1974, a judge is not permitted to make any enforcement order unless the creditor can provide a true signed copy of the original credit agreement. This means that unless you can produce such an agreement, this alleged debt is not enforceable in law.
You had until **12 days DATE** to provide me with the true copy I requested. After that date you entered into default of my request. Whilst the account is in dispute, you are not permitted to ask for any payment, nor am I obliged to offer any payment to you. Furthermore, whilst the dispute remains, you are not entitled to charge any interest on the account, nor make any further charges to the account. Additionally, you are not entitled to register any information on this account with any credit reference agencies (or any third party).
To register information with a credit reference agency, you must have written consent from the data subject to collate and share such information. This consent is given in the form of a signed credit agreement, so until you produce such an agreement, you may not do this.
The requirement for consent to share data is a clear requirement of the Data Protection Act 1998. Any such attempts to share my data without my consent will be met with a complaint to the Information Commissioners Office.
The time limits, which are laid down in the Consumer Credit (Prescribed Periods for Giving Information) Regulations 1983 are clear. You must supply an executed credit agreement within 12 working days of a proper CCA request. If you fail to comply with a legitimate request the account enters a default situation and if you fail to comply after a further 30 days you commit an offence. You entered into a default on **12 Days DATE** and subsequently committed a criminal offence on **MONTH DATE**.
Therefore you have 7 days from receiving this letter to contact me with your intentions to resolve this matter which is now a formal complaint, otherwise your conduct will be reported to the Office of Fair Trading, the Financial Ombudsman and Trading Standards. Any investigation undertaken by them may affect your ability to hold a consumer credit license in the future.
Take further note that continued telephone calls after the receipt of a request not to call may constitute a criminal offence under Section 127 of the Communications Act 2003.
Communicate in writing and ONLY in writing, your telephone calls will NOT be answered.
To sum up, I will not be making any further payments to you until you provide me with the document I have requested. Should you not have any signed credit agreement in relation to this alleged debt, please confirm this in writing to me.
I would appreciate your due diligence in this matter.
I look forward to your reply.
Yours faithfully0 -
Thank you both so much for your help (and your PM Fermi). I'm not one to hide away from debts (I am paying back four other creditors at the moment), it's just that these people are pond scum, and I would like to give them back a little of what they have dealt me over the past year.
Your advice has been invaluable, thank you again
CSxLBM: 14.01.08 - Debt at 25.04.08: £7420.925.06.10: 3200.00 :T I'm over half way there!!! :j
'Spendaholics Anonymous' Thread Member No 1DMP Mutual Support Thread Member No 1130 -
Hi,
I'm new to this but have been using the advice here which is brilliant - thank you.
I am in the exact same position as compulsivespender79 in that I requested a CCA from Lowell and they sent me a page with 'Application Form' at the top with my details, and a short section entitled 'credit agreement' with none of the items compulsivespender79 lists.
I sent the letter as advised, and I have received a letter back saying this:
'We can advise that the balance was calculated based upon the balance of the debt purchased from Capital One less any payments or adjustments received or made against your account since the date of purchase.
We are under no further obligation under the provisions of the above Act to provide you with copy account statements as you suggest.
Please find enclosed a further copy of your agreement together with the terms and conditions.
We would now request that you please call the number above to arrange re-payment of this debt by return.'
I have not been sent anything new apart from the terms and conditions.
Please could you let me have any advice on this - it's much appreciated.
Background - account opened in 2001, they claim balance outstanding is £482.48. I did offer a repayment schedule in 2005, but when I asked for bankdetails to send it to they stopped writing to me. I then read about my rights on this forum when they started contacting me again. They offered a settlement of about £200 when I first requested the CCA. They continually phone my house even though I am at work all day and even though I have repeatedly asked them to correspond by letter - to which the response was 'it takes too much effort and takes too long' - they say they do not have to comply with this request! They are intimidating and bullying on the phone.SW Week 1-5: -12lb Week 6-10: -4.5lb Week 11-15: +0.5lb Week 16: -1lb Week 17: -1lb Week 18: STS Total Loss -1 Stone 4lb!0 -
Hya
Wha was the original debt for? if it was a CC or catalogue debt, then it is almost cretianly covered. If it is a OD or a telephone contract, it would not be.If you've have not made a mistake, you've made nothing0 -
Sorry, yes it was a Capital One credit card.
I'd also like to add that I'm not trying to avoid thedebt, could pay it quite easily, but I don't like the was I and my family have been treated and I can't remember the status of the account and want proof if I owe this amount.SW Week 1-5: -12lb Week 6-10: -4.5lb Week 11-15: +0.5lb Week 16: -1lb Week 17: -1lb Week 18: STS Total Loss -1 Stone 4lb!0 -
Send the letter from weller in post 3 then, she is the resident expert on CCAs.
If you want further advice contact the nationa debt line.
With respect to Lowell, please remember that if the documentation was not in place, they will have bought this debt for peanuts. if they cannot prove that you owe the money to them, tough wahtsits.
They have an appaling reputation here. Based on posts by lowellcrooks and plymouthvictim, they may not even be registered to collect consumer debts. They had to climb down and apologise for sending documents that purported to be statuatory demands, based on those posts.If you've have not made a mistake, you've made nothing0 -
Thanks RAS - the 12+2+30 days isup on 14 April so I'll send the letter then and see what happens.
Thanks tp Weller as well.SW Week 1-5: -12lb Week 6-10: -4.5lb Week 11-15: +0.5lb Week 16: -1lb Week 17: -1lb Week 18: STS Total Loss -1 Stone 4lb!0 -
Well done! When did you send your request ?0
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Hi,I am readthis with greta interested, as we have recently had Lowell group demanding money from my husband to the tune of £3000. they first kept writing asking him to confirm he lived at so so address but we ignored it.
Now We have quite a bit of debt, but he swears this one is nothing to do with him. And I dont see him lying about it.
It may have been his house mate, or even the landlaord(who had a griudge), and I am not sure they can even pursue it because it was 9 years ago now.
I emailed them, telling them that my husband denied this debt was his. And this is what I got back
Thank you for your e-mail.
We are currently looking into your enquiry and will respond to you as soon as possible. Please be assured we will try to answer and resolve your query at our earliest convenience
Unfortunately I am unable to give you an exact date as to when this will be as our enquiries can take time, as we often have to retrieve information from the original client or external bodies
What I can guarantee is that your enquiry is being dealt with and you have no need to e-mail againIf you want to speak to someone in our Customer Service team then please do not hesitate to call on 0844 844 4716
this was on the 25th March. And I keep all emails!
Should I email them again. The email that I sent was after a letter they sent me saying they where taking him to court, and I am trying to sort out our financial mess at the moment.0
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