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CGT and its impact on investors

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  • JamesU
    JamesU Posts: 1,060 Forumite
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    edited 23 June 2010 at 6:55PM
    Stavros wrote: »
    Untaxed Pension of 18k p.a

    Here goes. Please for corrections if any errors found:

    http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/budget2010/rn-complete.pdf
    (page 48, Example 1)

    personal allowance: 6475
    20% tax band: 37400

    Taxable capital gain = 80,000 - 10,100 = 69,900
    Taxable income = 18,000 - 6,475 = 11,525


    CGT tax at 18%: (37,400 - 11,525) x 0.18 = 4,658
    (this is the CGT tax in the 20% income tax bracket on the 25,875 allowance left)

    CGT tax at 28%: (69,900 - [37,400 - 11,525]) x 0.28 = 12,327
    (where [37,400 - 11,525] = 25,875 and this is deducted from taxable gain to find the amount taxable at 28%)

    Total CGT to pay: (4,658 + 12,327) = 16,985

    Profit from 80k gain: (80,000 - 16,985) = 63,015
    % of capital gain to HMRC: (16,985/80,000) x100 = 21%


    But ways to avoid CGT payment with shares as discussed in thread above...


    JamesU
  • Kavor
    Kavor Posts: 483 Forumite
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    So does this now mean that if your capital gains can now class you as paying tax at the higher tax rate then you can also claim the higher tax relief on any pension contributions?
  • lisyloo
    lisyloo Posts: 30,077 Forumite
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    So does this now mean that if your capital gains can now class you as paying tax at the higher tax rate then you can also claim the higher tax relief on any pension contributions?

    I don't know but tax relief on pensions is income tax relief, so if you have not paid higher rate income tax and only paid higher rate CG tax then I would guess you don't qualify.
    However your pensions contributions (gross of basic rate tax relief) do push up your higher rate tax threshold, so effectively you would get some CG tax relief (reduce from 28% to 18%) for the amount of the uplift.

    I'm guessing but I know how it works for me is that it pushes up the higher rate threshold so for some income I pay 20% instead of 40%, hence getting the relief.
  • JamesU
    JamesU Posts: 1,060 Forumite
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    edited 30 June 2010 at 6:24PM
    Kavor wrote: »
    So does this now mean that if your capital gains can now class you as paying tax at the higher tax rate then you can also claim the higher tax relief on any pension contributions?

    Very interesting question.

    Also, if you have a capital loss does it just get carried forward or can it be offset against income tax?

    Edit/update: HMRC confirmed it is not possible to accrue additional pension relief from CGT gains that are added to income allowances for CGT calculations. Also any capital losses do not extend income tax allowances, CGT losses are just held over and offset against CGT gains as before. Was worth a try, just on the offchance....

    JamesU
  • JamesU
    JamesU Posts: 1,060 Forumite
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    Interesting article here from the Institute of Fiscal studies "Solutions to the taxing issue of capital gains." Quite a nice overview of the key issues and how CGT could/should have been implimented.

    http://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/4999

    Although 2006-2007 are not the latest figures, what seems clear is that quoted and unquoted shares account for approx 65-70% of HM treasury CGT receipts. I would not be surprised if there is more focus on this particular asset class in the next budget.

    JamesU
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