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  • andrew-b
    andrew-b Posts: 2,413 Forumite
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    I agree..get it serviced first. We paid about £30 for our gas fire to be serviced. We had a similar problem before then that it was near impossible to light . We paid about £50 at the same time for the boiler to be serviced...took them half the time of the fire!
  • I service at the same time, as part of the job as 90% of the safety checks are already done.
    Oxy pilots are factory set and should not be messed with. They are complete units with thermocouple and spark electrode.
  • Barneysmom
    Barneysmom Posts: 10,136 Ambassador
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    I phoned BG and to get a man out was going to be about £60, so I got the service/breakdown cover instead, for £83? That means if it break they will comeout and fix or replace if they can't get the parts.
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  • andrew-b
    andrew-b Posts: 2,413 Forumite
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    edited 14 November 2009 at 2:54PM
    I feel you've been had there TBH...£83 sounds like daylight robbery to me. Even £60 is steep! Did you try ringing any local independent heating engineers?

    A fair few stories have been heard here of BG saying they can't get parts when they are actually still available - not seen any in relation to gas fires ..YET! Personally I won't have anything to do with BG anymore - ...they are now just one big sales machine now.
    There should be at least a 7-day cooling off period.. i would use it.

    This fixed price breakdown cover (like any insurance) must rely on a proportion of the customers overpaying to fund a proportion of customers that need parts (the one's BG actually say they can get!)

    Example

    10 customers pay £84 (up a pound to make calculation simpler) for service/breakdown cover for their gas fires.
    Lets assume the service actually costs BG half that (£42) in reality.
    Then lets assume only 20% (i.e. 2) of those customers needs new parts&labour worth £75 each ..£150 in total.

    For the 8 customers needing only a service..they pay £84 = £672 in total which is £336 more than the £42 servicing cost BG. So BG now have £336 of profit in their money pot.

    For the 2 customers needing a service and £75 of parts each they still pay £84 each = £168. But it actually cost BG (£42 + £75) x 2 = £234. That means BG makes £66 loss on these two customers.

    So in total BG's money pot now stands at £336 profit from 8 customers less £66 loss from 2 customers = £270 profit on service and parts costing BG £570 . A 47.4% markup in this simple example

    Obviously it's not as simple as that and they feed in all their customer data into their system and come out with a price that ensure they always make a sizeable profit by robbing peter to pay paul. It's all a clever numbers game and only a small percentage of customers actually get a good deal out of it!

    But what if those 10 customers all paid £60 for a service and then BG charged the 2 needing parts the £75 pound each. In that case the customers pay a total of £750 . BG still make 10 times £60-£42 = £180 on the servicing (31.6% markup on £570 of service and parts) . Nowhere near as lucrative as the £270 they would have made by flogging the service + breakdown cover! So for BG they have incentive to sell their breakdown/service cover rather than just a service! It's all a clever sales scam IMHO!
  • Barneysmom
    Barneysmom Posts: 10,136 Ambassador
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    Thanks for your advice, I know what you're saying, and I was thinking as well about maybe I should have just bought a new fire.....
    this is the one I've got, the emberglow classic.
    http://www.discountedheating.co.uk/product.php?ref=130160

    When I bought mine (about 10 years ago) it was about £700, but the prices seem to have really dropped and the one on that site is much lower.
    How much does it cost to have a fire fitted these days, and I bet there's some sort of a guarantee with a brand new one.
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  • Barneysmom
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    Well, I've had the fire serviced and it's all fine now, it was the thermocouple which has been replaced....
    The fire has been disconnected though, we're not allowed to use it.
    The reason is that when the gas man put the smoke bomb in, he went outside to have a look and it's 'sharing pots'.......he said it's due to erosion of some part inside the chimney where 2 rooms meet, has worn out or something?
    Anyway, he said if we get a cowl/liner fitted it'll be fine, a little bit of brickwork needs tidying up, where the fire meets the wall (where the grey tape isn't quite flat?)
    If we get the work done, he'll come and reconnect the fire FOC.
    We've phoned round and had several baffling quotes of between £350 and £1300!
    The gasman said if they want more than £500 tell 'em where to go.
    Now, we did ask someone round to have a look on Friday, but they never turned up.........
    So what do we do?
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