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    • JackeeBoy
    • By JackeeBoy 13th Jan 19, 12:56 PM
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    Do I have to inform work of a second job?
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    • 13th Jan 19, 12:56 PM
    Do I have to inform work of a second job? 13th Jan 19 at 12:56 PM
    Hi all

    I currently work in the insurance industry in a manager role. Recently applied for a weekend customer service role at another financial institution (not insurance). Assuming I get the role, do I have to inform my current company? Also, during the interview stage, what can I say about my current job situation? I have no problem telling them I am looking to make some extra money over the weekend but don't want them asking for references as I work for a small company as this will quickly get about.

    Thanks for your help.

    Update - Thanks all. I have checked my contract and is states that I can't take up employment with anyone else unless I get this agreed in writing.
    Last edited by JackeeBoy; 13-01-2019 at 4:18 PM.
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    • DCFC79
    • By DCFC79 13th Jan 19, 12:59 PM
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    • 13th Jan 19, 12:59 PM
    Hi all

    I currently work in the insurance industry in a manager role. Recently applied for a weekend customer service role at another financial institution (not insurance). Assuming I get the role, do I have to inform my current company? Also, during the interview stage, what can I say about my current job situation? I have no problem telling them I am looking to make some extra money over the weekend but don't want them asking for references as I work for a small company as this will quickly get about.

    Thanks for your help.
    Originally posted by JackeeBoy

    What does your contract say ?
    • theoretica
    • By theoretica 13th Jan 19, 1:03 PM
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    • 13th Jan 19, 1:03 PM
    most jobs require you to tell them about other work. The working time directives about number of hours worked don't make exceptions for different employers, so they have a legitimate interest in what hours you work for other people: https://www.employmentsolicitor.com/working-time-regulations-happens-employees-multiple-jobs/
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    • TELLIT01
    • By TELLIT01 13th Jan 19, 1:18 PM
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    • 13th Jan 19, 1:18 PM
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    • 13th Jan 19, 1:18 PM
    It's pretty common for your contract of employment with the main employer to state that you have to inform them if you intend to take up a 2nd job. They also have the right to refuse you permission. You need to check your contract to see if that is the case with your employer.
    I don't understand why you are concerned about your employer knowing about a 2nd job, but that is not relevant to the question raised. I suspect others may be along soon just asking that exact question. :-)
    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 13th Jan 19, 2:22 PM
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    • 13th Jan 19, 2:22 PM
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    • 13th Jan 19, 2:22 PM
    Breach of trust is a big risk for any multiple job situation.

    Both should be aware to avoid any risks of conflict of interest.

    Availabilty being one of them.
    • nicechap
    • By nicechap 13th Jan 19, 2:25 PM
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    • 13th Jan 19, 2:25 PM
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    • 13th Jan 19, 2:25 PM
    Hi all

    I currently work in the insurance industry in a manager role. Recently applied for a weekend customer service role at another financial institution (not insurance). Assuming I get the role, do I have to inform my current company? Also, during the interview stage, what can I say about my current job situation? I have no problem telling them I am looking to make some extra money over the weekend but don't want them asking for references as I work for a small company as this will quickly get about.

    Thanks for your help.
    Originally posted by JackeeBoy
    As a manager, what would you think of your staff if you found they had a second job in the same industry and not asked for permission or told you?

    As others have said, its likely to be a contractual condition to get permission but, depending on the exact circumstances, you leave yourself open to disciplinary action even if it doesn't.
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    • Gavin83
    • By Gavin83 13th Jan 19, 2:39 PM
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    • 13th Jan 19, 2:39 PM
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    • 13th Jan 19, 2:39 PM
    I have no problem telling them I am looking to make some extra money over the weekend but don't want them asking for references as I work for a small company as this will quickly get about.
    Originally posted by JackeeBoy
    It's extremely likely they'll want references from your current employer. If you tell them you don't want them seeking references it's unlikely you'll get the job, they'll be suspicious and rightly so.

    As others have said your contract at your main employer will almost certainly state you've to mention any alternative employment. It's possible they'll refuse you permission, you'll need to decide what's more important then.
    • ohreally
    • By ohreally 13th Jan 19, 2:53 PM
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    • 13th Jan 19, 2:53 PM
    You are v. likely to require prior consent before undertaking additional employment and you may (will) have to sign a working time opt-out.
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    • mklister
    • By mklister 13th Jan 19, 4:11 PM
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    • 13th Jan 19, 4:11 PM
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    • 13th Jan 19, 4:11 PM
    I think most of the employers I've had have stated in my contract that I can only work for them, and therefore can't take additional employment.

    I would check what your contract states first.
    • JackeeBoy
    • By JackeeBoy 13th Jan 19, 4:22 PM
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    Thanks all. I have checked my contract and is states that I can't take up employment with anyone else unless I get this agreed in writing. The second job will be ideal as it's working from home on the weekends, but I can see my boss raising an eye brow over it, especially as he will be thinking it may affect my performance.

    I'm fortunate to be in the position I am in but the past two years have been tough and I just want to catch a lucky break.
    • TELLIT01
    • By TELLIT01 13th Jan 19, 5:24 PM
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    All you can do is ask. You expect them to refuse but you won't know until you ask. They may agree to a trial period if you put that forward from the outset.
    • Mr.Generous
    • By Mr.Generous 13th Jan 19, 6:06 PM
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    The tax position would be interesting if you didn't tell your main employer.

    The problem with second jobs like this is working 7 days a week you may be very tired. Any time off sick there is always the suspicion (often well founded) that you are working overtime on the other job. Employers don't like it much. A bit of cash in hand work somewhere might be easier and less taxing!!
    • Savvy_Sue
    • By Savvy_Sue 13th Jan 19, 7:07 PM
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    You have to ask, but permission won't always be refused - although in this particular situation it might well be.
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    • JackeeBoy
    • By JackeeBoy 13th Jan 19, 7:38 PM
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    The tax position would be interesting if you didn't tell your main employer.

    The problem with second jobs like this is working 7 days a week you may be very tired. Any time off sick there is always the suspicion (often well founded) that you are working overtime on the other job. Employers don't like it much. A bit of cash in hand work somewhere might be easier and less taxing!!
    Originally posted by Mr.Generous
    I wish I could find such a role! Especially if i is ad hoc work.
    • Gavin83
    • By Gavin83 13th Jan 19, 8:50 PM
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    The problem with second jobs like this is working 7 days a week you may be very tired. Any time off sick there is always the suspicion (often well founded) that you are working overtime on the other job. Employers don't like it much. A bit of cash in hand work somewhere might be easier and less taxing!!
    Originally posted by Mr.Generous
    This is likely the main issue. I suspect as a one off, for a weekend or two most employers wouldn't care. However if you're working 7 days a week, every week it will start to affect your performance in the main job. Naturally they'll want you working at your best.
    • General Grant
    • By General Grant 14th Jan 19, 11:54 AM
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    most jobs require you to tell them about other work. The working time directives about number of hours worked don't make exceptions for different employers, so they have a legitimate interest in what hours you work for other people: https://www.employmentsolicitor.com/working-time-regulations-happens-employees-multiple-jobs/
    Originally posted by theoretica

    However, of course, if an employee signs an opt out from the 48-hour maximum, the employer does not have to keep track of hours worked.
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