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    • Supersonos
    • By Supersonos 6th Aug 18, 3:47 PM
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    Can self-employed agree their rates?
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    • 6th Aug 18, 3:47 PM
    Can self-employed agree their rates? 6th Aug 18 at 3:47 PM
    I've tried Googling but no luck. Can self-employed people discuss their rates with each other and then agree to all charge the same?

    On the one hand, I was thinking not, as this would be price fixing and not in the interests of competition.

    But equally, isn't that what unions do? Agree rates and, when that rate isn't paid, make all their members strike to bully people into paying what they want.

    What am I missing here?!
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    • Comms69
    • By Comms69 6th Aug 18, 3:48 PM
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    • 6th Aug 18, 3:48 PM
    I suspect you aren't self employed...
    • Supersonos
    • By Supersonos 6th Aug 18, 4:02 PM
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    • 6th Aug 18, 4:02 PM
    I suspect you aren't self employed...
    Originally posted by Comms69
    Your suspicions are incorrect. Are you able/willing to help with my question?
    • custardy
    • By custardy 6th Aug 18, 4:03 PM
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    • 6th Aug 18, 4:03 PM
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    • 6th Aug 18, 4:03 PM
    Your suspicions are incorrect.
    Originally posted by Supersonos
    Self employed,no boss,so who is stopping you?
    • Supersonos
    • By Supersonos 6th Aug 18, 4:04 PM
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    • 6th Aug 18, 4:04 PM
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    • 6th Aug 18, 4:04 PM
    Self employed,no boss,so who is stopping you?
    Originally posted by custardy
    That's what I'm asking... The law? The government? The EU?
    • Undervalued
    • By Undervalued 6th Aug 18, 4:05 PM
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    • #6
    • 6th Aug 18, 4:05 PM
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    • 6th Aug 18, 4:05 PM
    I've tried Googling but no luck. Can self-employed people discuss their rates with each other and then agree to all charge the same?

    On the one hand, I was thinking not, as this would be price fixing and not in the interests of competition.

    But equally, isn't that what unions do? Agree rates and, when that rate isn't paid, make all their members strike to bully people into paying what they want.

    What am I missing here?!
    Originally posted by Supersonos
    And you would be right.

    However, in the real world, it is bound to happen to some extent.

    Price of course shouldn't be the only factor. Many people will happily pay a little extra for somebody who does a better job.
    • Comms69
    • By Comms69 6th Aug 18, 4:08 PM
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    • 6th Aug 18, 4:08 PM
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    • 6th Aug 18, 4:08 PM
    Your suspicions are incorrect. Are you able/willing to help with my question?
    Originally posted by Supersonos


    So how do you intend to contact 'all' self employed people to agree a rate?
    • Supersonos
    • By Supersonos 6th Aug 18, 4:15 PM
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    • 6th Aug 18, 4:15 PM
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    • 6th Aug 18, 4:15 PM
    So how do you intend to contact 'all' self employed people to agree a rate?
    Originally posted by Comms69
    Odd part of my question to focus on. Although nice to see you now believe that I am self-employed.

    Obviously, it would be impossible for me to contact all self employed people, but it wouldn't be impossible for me and my colleagues to all agree to charge the same.
    • custardy
    • By custardy 6th Aug 18, 4:18 PM
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    • 6th Aug 18, 4:18 PM
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    • 6th Aug 18, 4:18 PM
    Odd part of my question to focus on.

    Obviously, it would be impossible for me to contact all self employed people, but it wouldn't be impossible for me and my colleagues to all agree to charge the same.
    Originally posted by Supersonos
    Don't you mean competitors?
    • Supersonos
    • By Supersonos 6th Aug 18, 4:18 PM
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    And you would be right.
    Originally posted by Undervalued
    Could you point me to more info? I can't find anything online regardless of what I search for.
    • Supersonos
    • By Supersonos 6th Aug 18, 4:21 PM
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    Don't you mean competitors?
    Originally posted by custardy
    Wow - people here really like to go off on random tangents. I guess you could call them competitors, but I'd call them colleagues as we often work together on the same jobs.

    Does that change the answer to my question?
    • Comms69
    • By Comms69 6th Aug 18, 4:22 PM
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    Odd part of my question to focus on. Although nice to see you now believe that I am self-employed.

    Obviously, it would be impossible for me to contact all self employed people, but it wouldn't be impossible for me and my colleagues to all agree to charge the same.
    Originally posted by Supersonos
    I have no reason to believe you are actually self employed.


    What colleagues? You have competitors. Not colleagues.


    - This is why I struggle to believe your claim
    • Undervalued
    • By Undervalued 6th Aug 18, 4:22 PM
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    Could you point me to more info? I can't find anything online regardless of what I search for.
    Originally posted by Supersonos
    https://www.gov.uk/cartels-price-fixing
    • Comms69
    • By Comms69 6th Aug 18, 4:23 PM
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    Wow - people here really like to go off on random tangents. I guess you could call them competitors, but I'd call them colleagues as we often work together on the same jobs.

    Does that change the answer to my question?
    Originally posted by Supersonos

    What is it that you do? Maybe that would help.
    • Supersonos
    • By Supersonos 6th Aug 18, 4:27 PM
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    What is it that you do? Maybe that would help.
    Originally posted by Comms69
    What's the point in me telling you? You think I'm a liar and pick holes in my comments, so it would be pointless me divulging that information.

    Plus, I don't see how my profession would affect whether or not I'm allowed to agree rates with my colleagues.
    • Supersonos
    • By Supersonos 6th Aug 18, 4:28 PM
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    Thanks - that's exactly what I was looking for.
    • Comms69
    • By Comms69 6th Aug 18, 4:28 PM
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    What's the point in me telling you? You think I'm a liar and pick holes in my comments, so it would be pointless me divulging that information.

    Plus, I don't see how my profession would affect whether or not I'm allowed to agree rates with my colleagues.
    Originally posted by Supersonos


    I think you're misguided, not a liar.


    How many clients do you have? Do you set your own hours? Could you send a substitute in your place?
    • Supersonos
    • By Supersonos 6th Aug 18, 4:31 PM
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    How can I be misguided about being self-employed? My accountant and all my clients seem to think I'm self-employed.

    Probably about 30-40, no, yes.
    Last edited by Supersonos; 06-08-2018 at 4:34 PM.
    • Ozzuk
    • By Ozzuk 6th Aug 18, 4:34 PM
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    You may find there is something in your contract that stops you discussing what you charge with your competitors (colleagues).

    I've certainly heard of companies in a tender taking it in turns to set a high price so they spread the work out (we had no proof though).
    • Supersonos
    • By Supersonos 6th Aug 18, 4:35 PM
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    You may find there is something in your contract that stops you discussing what you charge with your competitors (colleagues).

    I've certainly heard of companies in a tender taking it in turns to set a high price so they spread the work out (we had no proof though).
    Originally posted by Ozzuk
    I don't have a contract (well, I do once I start a job, but when the job finishes a couple of weeks later, that contract expires).
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