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    • Ambers1
    • By Ambers1 27th Jul 18, 12:11 PM
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    Eye test without being forced to buy glasses
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    Eye test without being forced to buy glasses 27th Jul 18 at 12:11 PM
    Does anyone know a place where I can do just an eye test without being forced to buy glasses and I can get full precription with PD measurement included? Preferably west London Area, Surrey or Berkshire. I can't find any optician who does eye tests only and not selling glasses, every optical place has strict rules of not giving pd measurement on final prescription. I'm willing to pay for the eye test, but even if I want to pay they won't give me pd measurement, I've asked so mamy places like costco, specsavers, leightons and others. I know that I can measure my pupil distance myself but I prefer to be done bu specialist and I want to buy my glasses online,because hight street shops are ripping off people
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    • comeandgo
    • By comeandgo 27th Jul 18, 12:14 PM
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    Is this how English options work? When I get my eyes tested I get a prescription which states what I need. I can then take this any where.
    • Ambers1
    • By Ambers1 27th Jul 18, 12:23 PM
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    • 27th Jul 18, 12:23 PM
    They give you precription, but they refuse to disclose your pd measurement,
    you can't buy glasses online without pd measurement
    Most opticians offer eye test for free, because they make money on spectacles, they sell very expensive frames, you can buy online the same frames for much less
    • Carrot007
    • By Carrot007 27th Jul 18, 12:25 PM
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    Is this how English options work? When I get my eyes tested I get a prescription which states what I need. I can then take this any where.
    Originally posted by comeandgo

    I'm sure it's the same up there!



    PD is not part of the presciption so you don't get it. It will be measured by whoever makes your glasses or there are guides online if you want to buy online. (Is often easier to get someone to do it for you rether than yourself.).
    • Undervalued
    • By Undervalued 27th Jul 18, 12:33 PM
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    • 27th Jul 18, 12:33 PM
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    • 27th Jul 18, 12:33 PM
    Does anyone know a place where I can do just an eye test without being forced to buy glasses and I can get full precription with PD measurement included? Preferably west London Area, Surrey or Berkshire. I can't find any optician who does eye tests only and not selling glasses, every optical place has strict rules of not giving pd measurement on final prescription. I'm willing to pay for the eye test, but even if I want to pay they won't give me pd measurement, I've asked so mamy places like costco, specsavers, leightons and others. I know that I can measure my pupil distance myself but I prefer to be done bu specialist and I want to buy my glasses online,because hight street shops are ripping off people
    Originally posted by Ambers1
    Any NHS eye test must, by law, give you a copy of the prescription on request. You do not have to buy anything from them.

    Sadly they are not obliged to tell you the PD. However, most online places can measure this from an old pair of glasses if you post them.

    How critical it is depends to some extend on the strength of your prescription. If you have Varifocal lenses then the PD and other measurements become more critical. Again this can be measured from an old pair that were satisfactory.

    Note too you PD will be slightly less for reading glasses as your eyes turn inwards at closer distances. So it is important the provider knows what the glasses are for.

    Another alternative is that, if you look, there are quite a few glasses manufacturing business around who work mainly for local opticians. Many these days will deal direct as well, often a similar prices to online. They will measure your PD if you take your prescription and order from them. Often found on small business parks / industrial estates in villages near a largish town. Worth a look....
    Last edited by Undervalued; 27-07-2018 at 12:39 PM.
    • GlasweJen
    • By GlasweJen 27th Jul 18, 5:42 PM
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    PD isn't part of an eye test so doesn't need to be recorded in the clinical notes, just the dispensing notes. I'll be honest if someone held a gun to my head after a test I'd probably not remember the PD unless it was something mental or a child's. This is probably the case more than ever now we're all using refractor heads and not trial frames.
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    • pmduk
    • By pmduk 28th Jul 18, 9:30 AM
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    • 28th Jul 18, 9:30 AM
    I've always found that if you're in general polite conversation with the assistant measuring you and slip in a requst for the PD, "Oh what was that figure?" they find it difficult and rude not to answer
    Last edited by pmduk; 29-07-2018 at 9:11 AM. Reason: typo
    • liviboy
    • By liviboy 28th Jul 18, 9:56 AM
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    • 28th Jul 18, 9:56 AM
    As above, Iíve never had a polite request for my PD figures refused. They arenít on the printed prescription but Iíve always had them.

    For reference Iím in Scotland (donít think it makes a difference though).
    • 50Twuncle
    • By 50Twuncle 28th Jul 18, 10:00 AM
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    I did this - 4 years ago - when I first needed glasses - I paid £35 for an eye test and avoided paying £100+ by using the prescription with Glasses direct - who were offering (as far as I could make out) 2 pairs of IDENTICAL glasses for £30 including lenses !
    They fitted perfectly and are still going strong

    How to Measure Your PD?
    1. Stand 8 in. away from a mirror.
    2. Hold a ruler against your brow.
    3. Close your right eye then align the ruler's 0 mm with the center of your left pupil.
    4. Look straight then close your left eye and open your right eye.
    5. The mm line that lines up to the center of your right pupil is your PD.
    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 28th Jul 18, 5:21 PM
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    I have an idea that they are supposed to put all relevant measurements on the inside of the glasses handles?

    Just picked up 3 pairs I've recently bought to peer at them to see. A cheapie pair (£25 touch) havent got them, a mid-price range pair havent got them, the dearest pair has got measurements on the handles:

    2227 104 53Q15 135

    in my case.

    I have an idea one of those figures might be it - though couldnt swear to it.
    ??

    Though I've managed to get my pupillary distance out of Boots Opticians before now and that info. is safely tucked away in my filing system. I found I had to "ask firmly" to my local Vision Express to get one of the more standard measurements from them - though got it out of them in the end (so imagine they'd be awkward about giving it).

    What info. one gets given probably does depend, to some extent, on which optician one is using.

    Think the "Oh what was that figure?" approach might be one way to get it from a reluctant optician.
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    • GlasweJen
    • By GlasweJen 28th Jul 18, 5:40 PM
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    I have an idea that they are supposed to put all relevant measurements on the inside of the glasses handles?

    Just picked up 3 pairs I've recently bought to peer at them to see. A cheapie pair (£25 touch) havent got them, a mid-price range pair havent got them, the dearest pair has got measurements on the handles:

    2227 104 53Q15 135

    in my case.

    I have an idea one of those figures might be it - though couldnt swear to it.
    ??

    Though I've managed to get my pupillary distance out of Boots Opticians before now and that info. is safely tucked away in my filing system. I found I had to "ask firmly" to my local Vision Express to get one of the more standard measurements from them - though got it out of them in the end (so imagine they'd be awkward about giving it).

    What info. one gets given probably does depend, to some extent, on which optician one is using.

    Think the "Oh what was that figure?" approach might be one way to get it from a reluctant optician.
    Originally posted by moneyistooshorttomention
    No those are the measurements of the actual glasses, the eye size, the size of the bridge and the length of the leg.
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    • Tallaght
    • By Tallaght 28th Jul 18, 6:19 PM
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    A lot of opticians are franchises and use high pressure sales tactics to get you to buy after you have had an eye test.Also frames priced £100-£150 for example cost the optician £2 - £3 a pair from overseas.
    • Denando
    • By Denando 11th Aug 18, 2:40 PM
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    A lot of opticians are franchises and use high pressure sales tactics to get you to buy after you have had an eye test.
    Originally posted by Tallaght
    You're telling me! I just had my 2-yearly check-up at Specsavers and it was similar to sitting through a timeshare presentation. It took 75 minutes for them to tell me my eyesight had not changed, yet they recommended new glasses on my prescription. Most of the time I was there was allocated to 'just go and browse the frames' even though I had told them up front I would not be buying new frames. I even had to sit through their app showing me the frames I should choose Ö and it picked pretty much identical ones to those I was wearing. They still asked if I'd like to try them on.
    • Undervalued
    • By Undervalued 11th Aug 18, 2:50 PM
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    You're telling me! I just had my 2-yearly check-up at Specsavers and it was similar to sitting through a timeshare presentation. It took 75 minutes for them to tell me my eyesight had not changed, yet they recommended new glasses on my prescription. Most of the time I was there was allocated to 'just go and browse the frames' even though I had told them up front I would not be buying new frames. I even had to sit through their app showing me the frames I should choose Ö and it picked pretty much identical ones to those I was wearing. They still asked if I'd like to try them on.
    Originally posted by Denando
    Well you could have just left! You have a legal right to a copy of the prescription (but not any PD measurement) so ultimately they can't refuse that or make it condition on listening to their sales patter.
    • Denando
    • By Denando 11th Aug 18, 3:48 PM
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    Well you could have just left! You have a legal right to a copy of the prescription (but not any PD measurement) so ultimately they can't refuse that or make it condition on listening to their sales patter.
    Originally posted by Undervalued
    I could have, but I wanted my eyes tested and they didn't start that until well into the hour+ I was there. Once I'd had the test and got the prescription, the last 'sales' guy realised pretty quick that I wasn't going to buy and very visibly 'switched off' and stated "OK, you can go". I was probably out of there 5 minutes after the test was done, and that included settling the bill.
    • Undervalued
    • By Undervalued 11th Aug 18, 5:11 PM
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    Just one further thought, back on the original topic.....

    Presumably once they have recorded the PD the patient could force disclosure using a Subject Access Request under the GDPR? That would force them to release all records about the patient, not just the prescription.

    Obviously if you are a new patient then they might choose not to record the PD until you have ordered glasses from them but it would have been measured in order to carry out the sight test properly.

    Interesting one?
    • Lorian
    • By Lorian 11th Aug 18, 5:20 PM
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    Just one further thought, back on the original topic.....

    Presumably once they have recorded the PD the patient could force disclosure using a Subject Access Request under the GDPR? That would force them to release all records about the patient, not just the prescription.

    Obviously if you are a new patient then they might choose not to record the PD until you have ordered glasses from them but it would have been measured in order to carry out the sight test properly.

    Interesting one?
    Originally posted by Undervalued
    In my experience typically the dispenser measures and records the PD directly after you've finished with the Optician. A quick upside down read saves asking for it and being denied it. It's not difficult to measure your own with a ruler and mirror.

    I should add I never buy glasses in the opticians, even when I have a free test voucher, but I'm quite good at walking away. I like to be MSE.
    • fibonarchie
    • By fibonarchie 11th Aug 18, 7:48 PM
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    I did this - 4 years ago - when I first needed glasses - I paid £35 for an eye test and avoided paying £100+ by using the prescription with Glasses direct - who were offering (as far as I could make out) 2 pairs of IDENTICAL glasses for £30 including lenses !
    They fitted perfectly and are still going strong

    How to Measure Your PD?
    1. Stand 8 in. away from a mirror.
    2. Hold a ruler against your brow.
    3. Close your right eye then align the ruler's 0 mm with the center of your left pupil.
    4. Look straight then close your left eye and open your right eye.
    5. The mm line that lines up to the center of your right pupil is your PD.
    Originally posted by 50Twuncle
    But presumably Glasses Direct aren't having to bear the cost of running the shop, buying the equipment, hiring and paying the opticians and support staff, and so on.

    It seems wrong to me that the optician does all the work, and then these online companies cream off the profit by getting people who want 'something for nothing' to buy the actual glasses from them instead.
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    • Undervalued
    • By Undervalued 12th Aug 18, 7:55 AM
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    But presumably Glasses Direct aren't having to bear the cost of running the shop, buying the equipment, hiring and paying the opticians and support staff, and so on.

    It seems wrong to me that the optician does all the work, and then these online companies cream off the profit by getting people who want 'something for nothing' to buy the actual glasses from them instead.
    Originally posted by fibonarchie
    What is wrong, in my opinion, is the optician's business model which seems to be based around a cheap or free eye test subsidised by excessive prices for glasses often extracted by a "hard sell".

    Not only is it thoroughly unprofessional it also raises the suspicion that new glasses are recommended when they are not necessary.

    A professional approach would be to charge a realistic fee for the time, expertise and equipment needed to test sight properly and separate the process from the competitive, fashion related high street sales operation.

    The fact that the online companies like SelectSpecs and Glasses Direct can supply quality products promptly and efficiently, at a fraction of high street optician's prices, shows what a total racket it has become.

    So no, I don't blame any patient / customer insisting on their rights and buying their glasses where they choose.

    Interestingly, there are now quite a few spectacle manufacturing businesses around who will deal direct providing you have a valid prescription. In the past they would only deal with opticians but many are now quite happy to have individual walk in trade.
    Last edited by Undervalued; 12-08-2018 at 10:17 AM.
    • GlasweJen
    • By GlasweJen 12th Aug 18, 9:35 AM
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    No, I don't record PD during an eye test, why would I? The PD only really matters when dispensing. When I set up a trial frame or refractor head I'll make sure it's centred but I wouldn't then write down what it's centered to.

    I suppose pre-reg will write it down but if you're not tested by the pre-reg then it probably won't be recorded during the test.

    I only recorded children because chances were the dispensing optician would be busy and I'd end up doing the dispense anyway and legally one of the other of us had to measure a child's PD. I'd note if someone was huge or tiny because I'd need to make big adjustments to my equipment.
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