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    • Barneysmom
    • By Barneysmom 12th May 18, 10:29 PM
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    Overtime not paid
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    • 12th May 18, 10:29 PM
    Overtime not paid 12th May 18 at 10:29 PM
    Recently I was sent to Europe for two weeks on a training course, where I worked from
    08.00 - 18.45 Mon-Sat for the first week, (58.5 hours worked)
    08.00 - 18.45 Mon-Fri for the second week. (48.75 hours worked)
    (hour for lunch)

    107.25 hours over two weeks.

    My usual working week is 37.5 hours.


    I never got a penny overtime, surely this isn't right?
    Last edited by Barneysmom; 13-05-2018 at 6:57 PM.
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    • Brynsam
    • By Brynsam 12th May 18, 10:33 PM
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    • 12th May 18, 10:33 PM
    What do your terms of employment say? Overtime is only payable if you are contractually entitled to it, or it has specificially been agreed on a particular occasion.
    • Barneysmom
    • By Barneysmom 12th May 18, 10:36 PM
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    • 12th May 18, 10:36 PM
    Usually anything over my normal hours is paid overtime.
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    • sjbrun
    • By sjbrun 12th May 18, 10:39 PM
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    • 12th May 18, 10:39 PM
    What did they say when you asked them? Did they say it was a mistake or not?
    • Barneysmom
    • By Barneysmom 12th May 18, 11:02 PM
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    • 12th May 18, 11:02 PM
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    • 12th May 18, 11:02 PM
    I know it wasn't a mistake - but boss has gone on holiday, so I can't do anything till he gets back.
    I just need to be clear about my legal position, I feel I've been treated unfairly.
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    • antrobus
    • By antrobus 12th May 18, 11:06 PM
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    • 12th May 18, 11:06 PM
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    • 12th May 18, 11:06 PM
    IF MY EMPLOYER SAYS I HAVE TO ATTEND TRAINING OUTSIDE MY NORMAL WORK HOURS, SHOULD I BE PAID FOR THIS?

    https://worksmart.org.uk/work-rights/training/employer-driven-training/if-my-employer-says-i-have-attend-training-outside-my
    • keepcalmandstayoutofdebt
    • By keepcalmandstayoutofdebt 12th May 18, 11:07 PM
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    • 12th May 18, 11:07 PM
    Any employment matters:
    Ask verbally once.
    In writing - second time.
    Thrice - Start the grievance process and or walk.
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    • Barneysmom
    • By Barneysmom 12th May 18, 11:56 PM
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    I agree, but after working there for 18 years and always getting paid for overtime, there seemed no reason to believe I wouldn't get paid this time.
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    • 74jax
    • By 74jax 13th May 18, 8:53 AM
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    • 13th May 18, 8:53 AM
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    • 13th May 18, 8:53 AM
    I know it wasn't a mistake - but boss has gone on holiday, so I can't do anything till he gets back.
    I just need to be clear about my legal position, I feel I've been treated unfairly.
    Originally posted by Barneysmom
    Can you not email payroll and ask if they missed they overtime form? They may be able to add it on another payroll run.

    If it was me and I'd normally be paid overtime I'd just think it was an error, but you seem sure they aren't paying you deliberately.
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    • theoretica
    • By theoretica 13th May 18, 11:27 AM
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    Recently I was sent to Europe for two weeks on a training course, where I worked from
    08.00 - 18.45 Mon-Sat for the first week, (48 3/4 hours worked)
    08.00 - 18.45 Mon-Fri for the second week. (48.75 hours worked)
    (hour for lunch)
    Originally posted by Barneysmom
    That doesn't add up, six days and five days being the same?

    My work has a different policy for training or working away compared to normal overtime, maybe yours does too. Basically for ours a day is a day, so we could claim the Saturday as time off in lieu, but not the longer hours on weekdays. We also count travel the day before or after as work, but are expected to work on the train/flight/waiting as reasonable.
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    • nicechap
    • By nicechap 13th May 18, 12:09 PM
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    That doesn't add up, six days and five days being the same?

    My work has a different policy for training or working away compared to normal overtime, maybe yours does too. Basically for ours a day is a day, so we could claim the Saturday as time off in lieu, but not the longer hours on weekdays. We also count travel the day before or after as work, but are expected to work on the train/flight/waiting as reasonable.
    Originally posted by theoretica
    I agree. 48.75 hours over 5 days is 9.75 hours per day and over 6 days is 8.125 hours per day but OP is suggesting 12.75 hours per day attendance.

    From another thread, they appear to work for a small family company (7 people?), so presumably could easily be resolved by talking to the owners.

    It s also not clear whether OP has actually submitted an overtime / time in lieu claim.
    Last edited by nicechap; 13-05-2018 at 12:14 PM.
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    • Barneysmom
    • By Barneysmom 13th May 18, 6:50 PM
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    Oh duhh I've no idea why I put the wrong timings there, must've been due to tiredness. I'll edit..

    I've submitted my hours
    The Saturday before the course started was my travelling day when I flew out.
    The Saturday after the course I flew home.

    So I got the travel days as lieu and took them when I got back, but haven't been paid the overtime.
    Last edited by Barneysmom; 13-05-2018 at 6:59 PM.
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