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    • Kiaora73
    • By Kiaora73 16th Apr 18, 12:24 PM
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    Not paid for logging in time
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    • 16th Apr 18, 12:24 PM
    Not paid for logging in time 16th Apr 18 at 12:24 PM
    My employer asks that I log in to my computer before my contracted hours, so I am ready to start working as soon as my contracted hours start. Logging in to everything can take 5 to 10 mins every day.

    However this logging in period is unpaid.

    Should it be?
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    • Browntoa
    • By Browntoa 16th Apr 18, 12:25 PM
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    • 16th Apr 18, 12:25 PM
    You should be "ready for work" at contracted time
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    • By Browntoa 16th Apr 18, 12:30 PM
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    • 16th Apr 18, 12:30 PM
    My employer asks that I log in to my computer before my contracted hours, so I am ready to start working as soon as my contracted hours start. Logging in to everything can take 5 to 10 mins every day.

    However this logging in period is unpaid.

    Should it be?
    Originally posted by Kiaora73
    Also logging off before end of Hours is the same , you log off after finishing time
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    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 16th Apr 18, 12:43 PM
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    • 16th Apr 18, 12:43 PM
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    • 16th Apr 18, 12:43 PM
    Leave the systems running ready for work.

    If the company requires you to log in and out that is working time.

    Work places get away with this nonsense because people let them.

    They can however treat this as unpaid working time as long as it does not take you below min wage.


    A secured hibernation may be a quicker option to shutdown and restart the systems unless they also want you to turn them off.
    • Gwendo40
    • By Gwendo40 16th Apr 18, 12:44 PM
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    • 16th Apr 18, 12:44 PM
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    • 16th Apr 18, 12:44 PM
    If logging on/off to a works computer and works system is part of your job description and workload then of course you should be getting paid for the time it takes to do it.
    • ohreally
    • By ohreally 16th Apr 18, 12:49 PM
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    • 16th Apr 18, 12:49 PM
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    • 16th Apr 18, 12:49 PM
    It's work related activity, it either gets done on their time or your manager/ supervisor does it.
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    • Kiaora73
    • By Kiaora73 16th Apr 18, 12:51 PM
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    • 16th Apr 18, 12:51 PM
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    • 16th Apr 18, 12:51 PM
    We have to shut down the machines every night. zzz
    • scaredofdebt
    • By scaredofdebt 16th Apr 18, 12:52 PM
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    • 16th Apr 18, 12:52 PM
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    • 16th Apr 18, 12:52 PM
    If it takes 10 minutes to login they need to sort their systems out.
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    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 16th Apr 18, 12:56 PM
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    • 16th Apr 18, 12:56 PM
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    • 16th Apr 18, 12:56 PM
    We have to shut down the machines every night. zzz
    Originally posted by Kiaora73
    Just turn them off at the wall if they won't pay you.
    • Gavin83
    • By Gavin83 16th Apr 18, 12:57 PM
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    I'm not sure why you should be expected to pay for their slow systems/lack of investment. As logging in is work related I don't see why you shouldn't be paid to do so.
    • Heliflyguy
    • By Heliflyguy 16th Apr 18, 1:02 PM
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    IMO you are ready to work, its their system that isnt.
    • Kiaora73
    • By Kiaora73 16th Apr 18, 1:15 PM
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    The computers and network isn't particularly slow. But we have a bout 5 applications to log in to plus the pc and phone. Average it takes about 5 mins but longer if everyone is logging on at the same time. There are over 5000 staff here.

    But they want us logged in before our work start time which i understand. But over the course of a year 5 to 10 mins everyday works out at quite a few hours of unpaid time
    • ohreally
    • By ohreally 16th Apr 18, 1:35 PM
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    There are over 5000 staff here.
    Originally posted by Kiaora73
    Please tell me you're unionised?
    Donít be a canít, be a can.
    • Kiaora73
    • By Kiaora73 16th Apr 18, 1:55 PM
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    There is a union
    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 16th Apr 18, 2:06 PM
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    Also

    if you have a clocking in/out machine that is a walk from your work space that walk is also work time if you have to use that machine to record your time.

    As I implied above the employer should be including this as work time for the purposes of min wage calculations
    They can pay that at a different rate to other work, that rate can be ZERO.
    • ohreally
    • By ohreally 16th Apr 18, 2:21 PM
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    There is a union
    Originally posted by Kiaora73
    And you're a member?
    Donít be a canít, be a can.
    • Kiaora73
    • By Kiaora73 16th Apr 18, 2:27 PM
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    Not since i came back to work here
    • ohreally
    • By ohreally 16th Apr 18, 2:32 PM
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    Unfortunate.
    • Sncjw
    • By Sncjw 16th Apr 18, 6:03 PM
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    In my work place we have to clock in least ten mins before starting. It!!!8217;s a walk away from the lockers. We have time to put stuff in lockers and we have to turn on the computer and log in at least before work starts. While it!!!8217;s loading up people often sort out their drinks for the morning or have a quick chat.

    Also to shut down we just hit the shut down button and one it goes to shutting down page we just leave it to shut down
    • nicechap
    • By nicechap 16th Apr 18, 6:11 PM
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    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/german-police-win-overtime-pay-for-putting-on-their-uniforms-2026770.html


    Shame you're not in the union - they'd be able to quote EU law to them, it was clairified a few years back, link above.
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