17 year old paid NI and tax but can't sign on for JSA
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Jobseekers Allowance is normally only paid to those over 18. However, under certain circumstances as set out below, JSA can be claimed and paid to those between 16 and 17 years. JSA is for those who are capable and available for work; are not in full time education or training and are currently unemployed.
Your first action should be at the Jobcentre Plus. You have to attend in person. You will be directed to a special advisor for 16 – 17 year olds. You cannot claim on line. There are set procedures for 16 to 17 (and not yet 18) which will be explained by the specialist young person advisor.
Who told you that she cannot sign on for JSA?
It is not common but not impossible either.
Universal Credit is now available for most single people but the minimum age with a few exceptions is 18 yrs.
Try going to the Job Centre in person or try CAB for further advice.0 -
Actually, so did everybody else - which is why we noticed "she has paid into the system she is entitled to take from it until she either returns to education or starts work/apprenticeship elsewhere" and "she is having a couple of weeks to think about she wants to do". It's your attitude and emphasis that got you the responses you got!Thanks Fbaby for actually reading my post0 -
So glad you posted this because no-one had figured that one at! Some posters posted that they thought the law was fair, I posted to say I didn't think it was.Whether you agree with other posters or not is irrelevant. That's the law.0 -
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Most appear to have clicked on Timberflake's link (refers to aged 18+), without reading the exceptions (yes, some 16 and 17-year-olds can claim).
Pmlindyloo is absolutely right in her detailed post above.
IAmWales - NICs are basically that though, which is why once you have worked for a period you are 'entitled' to contributions-based JSA and other benefits.
Indeed if any claimant appeals a decision of the DWP such as a refusal or sanction, it is heard in the First Tier Tribunal of the Social Entitlement Chamber (to use the old jargon).
I realise many people have a problem with the word 'entitled' but it merely means a claimant 'qualifies' for eg child benefit if they have a child. There really is no need for a rant by sangie595 about 'entitlement' just when an OP happens to use the (correct) word.Please be polite to OPs and remember this is a site for Claimants and Appellants to seek redress against their bank, ex-boss or retailer. If they wanted morality or the view of the IoD or Bank they'd ask them.0 -
I realise that (in your opinion) you are the only MSE poster entitled to an opinion, and always correct in everything that you say, and that therefore nobody is allowed to disagree with you - but really, get over it. There was no "rant". "Entitlement" does not merely mean that someone qualifies for a benefit. It also means someone who "thinks themselves inherently deserving of special treatment or privileges". This is an attitude, and exactly the attitude that the OP indicated. Not "she's looking hard for a job and I don't understand why she can't claim JSA" but "she's paid some tax and NI so she should get JSA to sit around for a few weeks thinking". The fact that your, personally, do not agree with someone, does not make comments a rant.I realise many people have a problem with the word 'entitled' but it merely means a claimant 'qualifies' for eg child benefit if they have a child. There really is no need for a rant by sangie595 about 'entitlement' just when an OP happens to use the (correct) word.0 -
pmlindyloo wrote: »Jobseekers Allowance is normally only paid to those over 18. However, under certain circumstances as set out below, JSA can be claimed and paid to those between 16 and 17 years. JSA is for those who are capable and available for work; are not in full time education or training and are currently unemployed.
Your first action should be at the Jobcentre Plus. You have to attend in person. You will be directed to a special advisor for 16 – 17 year olds. You cannot claim on line. There are set procedures for 16 to 17 (and not yet 18) which will be explained by the specialist young person advisor.
Who told you that she cannot sign on for JSA?
It is not common but not impossible either.
Universal Credit is now available for most single people but the minimum age with a few exceptions is 18 yrs.
Try going to the Job Centre in person or try CAB for further advice.
She can't sign on for JSA.
JSA for 16/17 year olds is only available when the young person is suffering 'Severe Hardship' AND is not being supported by their parent or legal guardian through estrangement or orphanage.
That would not be the case in this situation because - even if the OPs daughter was currently living independently and suffering financial hardship - she is clearly not estranged from her parents and therefore - according to the rules - they should be supporting her.
DWP Guidance for staff on validating claims for under 18 claimants: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/235102/jsa-16-17-severe-hardship.pdfThat sounds like a classic case of premature extrapolation.
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I realise that (in your opinion) you are the only MSE poster entitled to an opinion, and always correct in everything that you say, and that therefore nobody is allowed to disagree with you - but really, get over it. There was no "rant". "Entitlement" does not merely mean that someone qualifies for a benefit. It also means someone who "thinks themselves inherently deserving of special treatment or privileges".
This is an attitude, and exactly the attitude that the OP indicated. Not "she's looking hard for a job and I don't understand why she can't claim JSA" but "she's paid some tax and NI so she should get JSA to sit around for a few weeks thinking". The fact that your, personally, do not agree with someone, does not make comments a rant.
You're perfectly entitled to disagree with OPs and myself - indeed it appears to be what you always do - but you are not entitled to be rude in posts to OPs or post untrue beliefs as fact, as MSE moderators have warned you on several occasions.
As pointed out in post 9 by FBbay, the OP in fact referred to NICs not JSA £, so please don't misrepresent the OP again. Nor did the OP say, 'to sit around for a few weeks' even though you have mischievously chosen to put your accusatory thoughts in quotation marks.
I realise you are irked because the moderators deleted your abusive post towards myself [after I had had to correct you on facts yet again - it's simply untrue that issuing could cost more than owed wages]; but, please Sangie595, have a day off from being rude to OPs. It might be good for your health and the blood pressure of OPs.Please be polite to OPs and remember this is a site for Claimants and Appellants to seek redress against their bank, ex-boss or retailer. If they wanted morality or the view of the IoD or Bank they'd ask them.0 -
I think some have been unfairly rude to the OP.
There is nothing wrong is asking if someone is entitled to JSA even adults have to question this as its not always the case if you haven't paid enough NI.
Also most adults when they first start claiming will take the first couple of weeks thinking about what they want to do and how they will achieve that - it is perfectly possible to do this at the same time as job searching.0 -
Benefits entitlement is just how the government describes what you qualify for:
http://www.gov.uk/browse/benefits/entitlement0
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