NHS pay on progression to higher band under new NHS pay deal

Miss_J · 14 January 2019 at 11:41PM

Hi

I'm hoping that someone can help advise me as I'm quite confused as to what happens to salary on promotion to a higher band under the new NHS pay deal.

I'm currently top of Band 6 on spine point 29, my appraisal is due in July.

I have recently taken a new role, within another trust with my salary to be paid at Band 7 salary.

Reading the conditions of AfC it seems that I will be moved onto the first incremental point that leads to an increase in pay.

Looking at the current pay bands it seems that Band 7 salary at the same spine point 29 is £500 higher than band 6. Meaning I would be effectively on the same spine point and receive a slight increase in salary. In my new role I won't be working unsociable hours but currently I recieve approximately an additional £200 (gross) monthly due to unsociable hours payments. So effectively if I remain on the same spine point I would be taking a decrease in salary.

Obviously the move to a Band 7 post is fantastic for my career but sadly may not be worth it due to a decrease in salary.

I wonder if someone could clarify if I have calculated my new salary correctly.

Thanks in advance to anyone who understands the principles behind AfC and the new pay points.

FBaby · 15 January 2019 at 8:23AM

This is correct. You do however get the benefit of not working unsociable hours.

This is not uncommon especially when you move points that triggers an increase in pension contribution. The benefit is more long term.

clairec79 · 15 January 2019 at 11:02AM

I know several people in the NHS that say when they've moved into a management 9-5 style job they lost money despite going up a band - however they seem to prefer having free evenings etc and say they work life balance is better

nicechap · 15 January 2019 at 11:32AM

Depending on your shifts and whether you were Annex 2 or 5 for unsocial hours, moving to a 9-5 role can make a big difference in the short term. However, the difference in take home pay diminishes as you move up the spine points. There are now less spine points to reach the maximum pay in band (?reduced from 8 to 4?) but the thing to be aware of, progression up the spine points is no longer automatic on time served but is dependent on completing mandatory training, acceptable level of sick leave, and meeting objectives.

Miss_J · 15 January 2019 at 8:15PM

Thanks all for your responses.

If I remain on the same spine point with an initial £500 pay Increase would I receive the uplift awarded through the pay deal in April 2019?

Also I read that if progression to a higher band only results in 1 higher increment then the incremental date stays the same. Does that mean that when I reach my increment date in July I would recieve another move up to spine point 30?

Having worked in the private sector in the past, I've always found the NHS confusing in comparison.

Thanks again

vermania · 16 January 2019 at 11:45PM

It is fairly normal to go up to the next point when you get another job, as an 'incentive', even when you go up a band (at least, this has happened to me, twice).

Your increment date is still a while, it is worth discussing with HR, or if they don't help, asking your new line manager. It's quite a reasonable ask, you're not asking to go to the top point of the band. Just ask nicely and it'll be fine!

Colemancat · 15 April 2021 at 11:07AM

Miss_J said:

Thanks all for your responses.

If I remain on the same spine point with an initial £500 pay Increase would I receive the uplift awarded through the pay deal in April 2019?

Also I read that if progression to a higher band only results in 1 higher increment then the incremental date stays the same. Does that mean that when I reach my increment date in July I would recieve another move up to spine point 30?

Having worked in the private sector in the past, I've always found the NHS confusing in comparison.

Thanks again

Can I ask where you read 'that if progression to a higher band only results in 1 higher increment then the incremental date stays the same'? I thought this was the case too, but I can't find it in a policy anywhere for England.

I've just been promoted to Band 7 and my incremental date has been moved back by 11 months! it means I will receive a very small pay rise now and won't get another until April 2023, whereas if my incremental date stayed the same I would receive one May 2022 - big difference! if the incremental date must move be moved then I am wondering whether to ask to be put on the next pay point up, but I can't find that possibility in a policy either :-(

JamoLew · 15 April 2021 at 12:36PM

Don’t forget that you also get the potential future earnings of up to 43/44k at top of B7

Sometimes promotions aren’t always about the short term gains - think long term

NHS pay on progression to higher band under new NHS pay deal

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