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xapprenticex wrote: »
For the record, i went to JCP in 2015, i managed to get a job before my first appt, though i did attend my first appt to tell them i wont be returning. At no point was i told that i have to look for work for 35 hours. I've been on both sides of the table and that just does not happen unless they know you are taking the pi##
Have to disagree with that - as soon as I signed on (redundancy after 25 years) I was told the expectations about full time job hunting.
With regards to the other poster comments, volunteering got me my current job because it was a change of field and showed the new employer I was genuinely interested.
And the person who said about having to log onto UJM because of the manager and targets, that's very manipulative of your job coach. Their job targets are their issue not yours. Unless they make it yours by sanctioning you.All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well.
Pedant alert - it's could have, not could of.0 -
DevilsMoJo wrote: »I notice the snake oil sales about volunteering and a positive attitude. Philip Green/Simon Cowell/David Beckham would love to make money from your hard work while paying nothing.
Im not a huge fan of organisations offering volunteer jobs. It can be abused by companies getting out of paying people a regular wage. My Last role was a specialist job in the public Sector where we had 3 Support staff as volunteers. Obviously ideal due to the savings cuts. No doubt It would been ideal to replace all the staff with volunteers if they had enough of them0 -
mattcanary wrote: »They don;t snoop in remotely the same way that advisers can if you allow them access to Universal Jobmatch.
Do insurance companies snoop into what policyholders do on a daily basis, for example?
Yes, if you ask them to. There's at least one insurer where you can give them fitness tracker data, blood test results and other info in exchange for discounts on your premium and other rewards for being healthy (and reducing the chance you make a claim). Given that this may include GPS data this is considerably more intrusive in many ways than what Universal Jobmatch ask for. Of course if you don't want discounted premiums it's not obligatory to sign up with that insurer or hand them your fitness tracker data. Likewise if you don't like the terms on which the Government pays benefits, don't claim them.
The Government may not snoop in exactly the same way that JobCentre advisers do but equally JobCentre advisers don't use covert surveillance or tap your phone, all of which the Government does for offences as trivial as dog fouling. The point is that the information requested by Universal JobMatch falls a long way short of "government snooping" as most people would understand it.0 -
Have to disagree with that - as soon as I signed on (redundancy after 25 years) I was told the expectations about full time job hunting.
Maybe it depends on where you are and the adviser maybe? The way JCP handles claimants is usually down to how the manager wants to do things, ive never come across itse;f but evidently, it happens.0 -
She implied all job centre staff can view your account not just the person who might be standing in. Think Mattcanary throws up some valid arguments. what if your computer is out of action, off to repair etc. They wont believe you even if it is and would probably sanction you as you wont be able to log on to your account every day. Also by giving them access, they will see what jobs they will force you to apply for and as we all know, the website is not fit for purpose
This is why its good to have what I call a "dumbass CV". Nothing OTT stupid, but !!!!!! enough to put employers off while being plausible enough to be a real CV. A few subtle typos, cliches and omit good qualifications and experience.
Use this one for the jobcenter stuff. Apply for loads of any old jobs at random (again without going OTT) on UJM and give your work coach access. It will look like you have applied to many jobs but realistically, you havent.
Ofcourse you will send your real CV to jobs you do hope to land, but use a different website for this. You can still mention "I applied for X job too" without your coach seeing that you have a different CV.
Its also pretty easy to stuff interviews to jobs you dont want without "turning a job down or deliberately jeopardising your chances".Sometimes my advice may not be great, but I'm not perfect and I do try my best. Please take this into account.0 -
^ Yep and ill fund you while you do it0
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xapprenticex wrote: »^ Yep and ill fund you while you do it
A useful tactic though if they're fake jobs, (I do think that is less of a problem with UJM than it used to be though).0 -
xapprenticex wrote: »You can make their life a little more difficult, they may do the same to you though.
Whether YOU make their life more difficult or not, THEY have previously, and people are dead as a result!
The JC can be very much a case of your damned if you do and damned if you don't.
Things seem to vary depending on the JC office, but JCs aren't there to help people, they're there to find any way possible way to remove ppl off benefits (regardless of whether a job hunt is successful or not).0 -
It's not so much using the jobsearch part of it they want you to be using the activity log to copy and paste the job references or links to stuff you have applied for. Jobcentre staff don't sit there on people's UJM accounts except for just before and during the appointment. As they have other people to see and other stuff to do as well.0
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Fund people? Ive paid far more into the benefits system than I have ever taken back. I worked full time for 25 years. Do you know how tough it is for some people on UC?
As for people taking the pee being told to job search 35 hours a week, its mandatory if you are in the all work group on UC. I was told at my first interview that I had to jobsearch 35 hours a week, I certainly dont take the pee, that's the expectation
Some people have waited so long on their rent element theyve lost their home. Ive only been on UC since January but it has not been easy thanks to DWP errors which has led to a knock on effect to my rent and has led to me being threatened with eviction on several occasions.
The dwp also owe me money thanks to their error and Ive been battling to get it back for three months now. Plus the way you can be treated when you are there.
I know how to job search, Ive volunteered on several occasions, Im well qualified.
This is a hard benefit to be on. You arent allowed to leave the country if you are on UC so if you lose your job and have a holiday booked forget it, unless you shut your claim down and start again or take a sanction or have an understanding work coach,
There are people who are on UC and who are self employed who have been sanctioned for taking their kids on holiday and not leaving the country.
And lets not forget that many people on UC actually work. The in work allowance got cut in 2017. Used to be that if you had no kids you could earn 111 a month without getting your benefits affected. Now its nothing, so as soon as you earn a pound, 63 p comes off your benefit.
Its a tough benefit to be on and some people are suffering on it. So for anyone smugly saying I'll fund you or you dont have to jobsearch 35 hours a week, you really do not have a clue what you are talking about.
Ive had two eviction notices, been threatened with a possession of recovery of my home and had several nasty letters in between from my landlord, simply because I get my benefit paid in arrears, thats just part of the issues Ive had, Id be here all night telling you the full story due to the lack of communication on their part causing me significant financial hardship along the way.
I was made to wait the 7 day wait period in error. Ive been battling to get that money for months, but rather than just pay me it theyve closed and re opened my claim on more than one occasion leaving me in arrears because they told my landlord my claim was closed, so my council tax reduction and my dhp stopped. And I still dont have the money
And Ive been spoken to and treated like dirt at appointments, because I havent got an offer of a full time job in the time period it suited the DWP. Ive been on uc five months and been working part time for most of it.
See below for the 35 hours a week jobsearch
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/universal-credit-an-introduction/an-introduction-to-universal-credit0
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