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The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.
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Tricky, The SNP government doesn't support nuclear power and there's a policy of no new nuclear power stations in Scotland.
Which I don't actually agree with. The automatic dislike of anything nuclear is short-sighted, and we'd be better off with nuclear power stations providing our base load than coal or oil.0 -
Shakethedisease wrote: »Neither do Scottish Labour ( which Tricky and string conveniently brush out of the picture).
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-34687735
My head hurts thinking of the Scottish Labour position. Kezia still supports it doesn't she, as does Labour as a whole?0 -
Does that mean, because of the deeply held moral stance over nuclear power, that the SNP Government will refuse to use any electricity produced by Nuclear Power?Tricky, The SNP government doesn't support nuclear power and there's a policy of no new nuclear power stations in Scotland.
Somehow I think not, the stance agaisnt such things is only an itool. (independence tool)Union, not Disunion
I have a Right Wing and a Left Wing.
It's the only way to fly straight.0 -
TrickyTree83 wrote: »Why aren't they campaigning to shut them down in parliament then?
Note the word 'new'? They support existing nucelar power to help maintain supply. The Scottish Government's able to block any new plants.0 -
TrickyTree83 wrote: »Most of the things you say are hilarious unfortunately.
I was making the point that you'd have a greater voice in the UK government if you didn't consistently vote for a minority party, and then complain about having a minority voice in parliament. If Labour's not an option for you and the Conservatives aren't either, you've got a choice of (regarding the larger-ish parties) Greens, SNP and Lib Dem. Out of the 3 there's only 2 which have a presence elsewhere in the UK.
Ah yes, that'll work. Wishing a political party out of existence because people in Scotland might vote for them in huge numbers. The independence issue aside, the other political parties in Scotland come a poor second. Also like yourselves, are far too focused on the SNP to the detriment of everything else rather than on coming up with actual policies people might like to vote for.
The Brexit vote seems to have at the very least woken a fair few Labour leaning voters and leaders up as to what's the best for their country and constituents, rather than the endless sniping and carping at the SNP from the sidelines which passes as policy these days.It all seems so stupid it makes me want to give up.
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid ?0 -
We want a party that represents Scotland's interests. I voted SNP because the candidate was excellent (the LibDem was possibly the worst performer I've ever witnessed at a hustings), because I supported their manifesto and because I want independence. I believe that the SNP contingent have done more for getting Scotland's voice put across than any other set of MPs. I believe our needs will never be paramount in Westminster which is one of the reasons I support independence.
For all the time you've spent on this thread, you still don't understand the first thing about Scotland. You are just getting angrier and angrier, thinking we are fools. I really do not get why you should spend so much time on a topic you don't even want to understand.
You presume to speak for the entire Scottish populace.
You do not. The SNP does not. What proportion of votes did they (SNP) get from the eligible vote in the last Scottish parliament elections? Compare that to the eligible vote.
The major things the SNP do and stand for appears to be foolish. I like some of the things they've done, like free education and free prescriptions, they're great. But of course the SNP are going to be ignored in Westminster. Constant opposition. Divisive when it comes to the union therefore they will never be able to join in coalition with a party that supports the union in the UK government. This is the position they've made for themselves and you've voted for them to be in this position.
You need a unionist party that supports your views, not a nationalist party. That would be the better approach, but you've all been blinded by the SNP and now want independence thinking it's the answer to all your problems.
It really isn't.0 -
TrickyTree83 wrote: »You presume to speak for the entire Scottish populace.
You do not. The SNP does not. What proportion of votes did they (SNP) get from the eligible vote in the last Scottish parliament elections? Compare that to the eligible vote.
The major things the SNP do and stand for appears to be foolish. I like some of the things they've done, like free education and free prescriptions, they're great. But of course the SNP are going to be ignored in Westminster. Constant opposition. Divisive when it comes to the union therefore they will never be able to join in coalition with a party that supports the union in the UK government. This is the position they've made for themselves and you've voted for them to be in this position.
You need a unionist party that supports your views, not a nationalist party. That would be the better approach, but you've all been blinded by the SNP and now want independence thinking it's the answer to all your problems.
It really isn't.
Goodness. I was answering directly a post where you said
"you'd have a greater voice in the UK government if you didn't consistently vote for a minority party, and then complain about having a minority voice in parliament." Of course I am not speaking for the whole of Scotland.
You should maybe try stopping telling us what we need to do, and try to understand why so many have rejected unionist parties. There is no unionist party which reflects my views.0 -
Forget about that. It's voodoo politics and numbers. If you don't vote, you can't carp about the results.TrickyTree83 wrote: »You presume to speak for the entire Scottish populace.
You do not. The SNP does not. What proportion of votes did they (SNP) get from the eligible vote in the last Scottish parliament elections? Compare that to the eligible vote.
Get your chops round this then.The major things the SNP do and stand for appears to be foolish. I like some of the things they've done, like free education and free prescriptions, they're great. But of course the SNP are going to be ignored in Westminster. Constant opposition. Divisive when it comes to the union therefore they will never be able to join in coalition with a party that supports the union in the UK government. This is the position they've made for themselves and you've voted for them to be in this position.
You need a unionist party that supports your views, not a nationalist party. That would be the better approach, but you've all been blinded by the SNP and now want independence thinking it's the answer to all your problems.
It really isn't.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/27/corbyn-ally-suggests-labour-could-form-pacts-with-parties-across-leftCorbyn ally suggests Labour could form pacts with parties across left
Clive Lewis extends idea of progressive alliance with Greens to other parties including SNP and Liberal Democrats
“Such progressive alliances are now essential not just because that is the only way we can beat the Tories but because that is the way we will make better decisions and take more of the country with us,” he said.
“Frankly, I want to be in government with Caroline Lucas, not against her – and certainly not in permanent opposition.”
He later told the Guardian that this could extend to other parties on the left including the SNP and Lib Dems.
Looks like the Labour party is waking up and smelling the coffee.It all seems so stupid it makes me want to give up.
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid ?0 -
Shakethedisease wrote: »Forget about that. It's voodoo politics and numbers. If you don't vote, you can't carp about the results.
Get your chops round this then.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/27/corbyn-ally-suggests-labour-could-form-pacts-with-parties-across-left
Looks like the Labour party is waking up and smelling the coffee.
:rotfl:
If you're relying on Corbyn to get into coalition in Westminster you shouldn't.
You'd have a better outcome by putting up SNP candidates around the UK.
And you want to tell me that the eligible vote doesn't matter?
In the independence referendum you had an 84% turnout and your "consolidated" Scottish independence view was in the minority.
The SNP are governing on 46% of a 55% turnout. Even if as you say all the other parties and everyone who voted for them was in support of independence that's only a 55% majority. And somehow I don't think 100% of the 55% turnout believe independence is the right thing.0 -
Shakethedisease wrote: »http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/27/corbyn-ally-suggests-labour-could-form-pacts-with-parties-across-left
Looks like the Labour party is waking up and smelling the coffee.
the usual suspects from Scottish Labour did not take that at all well. I love reading Duncan Hothersall's tweets, just to try to get an understanding of the mindset.
Did you read his article here
http://labourhame.com/labour-is-one-party-and-its-not-just-scotland-that-needs-to-remember-it/
The hatred of the SNP just pours out of them - I don't think they'll ever get over the rage of so many Scots leaving them.0
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