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    • MSE Karl
    • By MSE Karl 22nd Oct 19, 11:50 AM
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    MSE Poll: Brexit what should happen now?
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    • 22nd Oct 19, 11:50 AM
    MSE Poll: Brexit what should happen now? 22nd Oct 19 at 11:50 AM
    Poll started 22 October 2019
    It's nearly three and a half years since the UK voted to leave the EU. The next must leave by deadline is 31 October. Theres now (another) deal on the table. What do you think the right thing to happen now would be?

    There are many possibilities but which of these is CLOSEST to your view

    Did you vote? Are you surprised at the results so far? Have your say below.

    If you haven't already, join the forum to reply.

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    • One-Eye
    • By One-Eye 22nd Oct 19, 12:48 PM
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    • #2
    • 22nd Oct 19, 12:48 PM
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    • 22nd Oct 19, 12:48 PM
    Why is Status Quo not an option – are we too far gone or is there a better way than breaking away? Enough is enough, so why not extend article 50 again and again while respect for parliament goes down, down, deeper and down as MPs vote forty five hundred times and the country goes down the dustpipe. Meanwhile Brussels says they won’t roll over, lay down and break the rules, but you’re living on an island and though we don’t want to hold you back, we can’t give you more and what you’re proposing just leads to hard times, not a softer ride, and that’s a fact.

    • Enterprise 1701C
    • By Enterprise 1701C 22nd Oct 19, 6:58 PM
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    • 22nd Oct 19, 6:58 PM
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    • 22nd Oct 19, 6:58 PM
    Because with the eu there is no such thing as a Status Quo.

    We joined the eec many moons ago, and those slightly older than me had chance to say whether to stay in the eec.

    Since then it has changed massively, it is now a bureaucratic behemouth that wishes to run everyone's lives. It is in no shape or form even similar to that which people voted for all those years ago. Does that not give you some concern as to what it wishes to become? It already has all the identifiers of a country, it has a flag, it has a currency, it has a rather contradictory national anthem, it has the ridiculous waste of TWO parliaments. It wishes to become the us of e without anyone noticing, they thought they could keep everyone around for the ride until it was too late.
    What is this life if, full of care, we have no time to stand and stare
    • Stockie
    • By Stockie 22nd Oct 19, 9:30 PM
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    • #4
    • 22nd Oct 19, 9:30 PM
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    • 22nd Oct 19, 9:30 PM
    Other than: being fed up with how long the government/parliament are taking to do anything, fed up with how much it's dominating the news & fed up with how it's drowning out other parliamentary business, is there any other reason there seem to be so much of a rush to get it done all of a sudden?
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    • Enterprise 1701C
    • By Enterprise 1701C 23rd Oct 19, 7:54 AM
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    • #5
    • 23rd Oct 19, 7:54 AM
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    • 23rd Oct 19, 7:54 AM
    Apart from the fact that it is costing us 1 billion a month to remain in the eu, apart from the fact we still have to invite the whole of the eu to tender for public works etc? Apart from the fact that freedom of movement is still in place? Apart from the fact that the uncertainty is what is putting businesses in danger? Apart from the fact that the idea of all these extensions is to try to persuade people to forget that we actually want to leave? Apart from all the shenanigans going on in parliament mean that they will probably at some point decide to slip through a bill to revoke article 50 and then the eu would slam the back door?

    What is really going on is Khorbyn is trying to make the Conservatives look bad by stopping Boris getting it through when he promised he would, and he certainly does not want Boris getting the credit when everyone said he could not get a different deal from the eu. What he is actually doing is proving himself to be a right idiot. The silly thing is that, given a choice, Khorbyn would be the first one to go for a "no deal" Brexit, he wants to wreck the country and he wants to buy up the utilities etc for prices so far below the market value as to be illegal, any agreement with the eu would stop that.
    What is this life if, full of care, we have no time to stand and stare
    • pollypenny
    • By pollypenny 23rd Oct 19, 9:08 AM
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    • #6
    • 23rd Oct 19, 9:08 AM
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    • 23rd Oct 19, 9:08 AM
    As there are multiple Brexit threads on DT this poll, and thread, seems a bit redundant.
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    • NaughtiusMaximus
    • By NaughtiusMaximus 23rd Oct 19, 11:16 AM
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    • #7
    • 23rd Oct 19, 11:16 AM
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    • 23rd Oct 19, 11:16 AM
    Why is Status Quo not an option
    Originally posted by One-Eye
    Because one of them's dead
    • One-Eye
    • By One-Eye 23rd Oct 19, 11:31 AM
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    • #8
    • 23rd Oct 19, 11:31 AM
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    • 23rd Oct 19, 11:31 AM
    Why is Status Quo not an option?
    Because one of them's dead
    Originally posted by NaughtiusMaximus
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    Why is Status Quo not an option are we too far gone or is there a better way than breaking away? Enough is enough, so why not extend article 50 again and again while respect for parliament goes down, down, deeper and down as MPs vote forty five hundred times and the country goes down the dustpipe. Meanwhile Brussels says they wont roll over, lay down and break the rules, but youre living on an island and though we dont want to hold you back, we cant give you more and what youre proposing just leads to hard times, not a softer ride, and thats a fact.
    Originally posted by One-Eye
    • Gavin83
    • By Gavin83 23rd Oct 19, 11:42 AM
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    • #9
    • 23rd Oct 19, 11:42 AM
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    • 23rd Oct 19, 11:42 AM
    What a surprise, remainers want to remain, leavers want to leave. I'm not really sure what else you were expecting from this poll.
    • 20SmthngSver
    • By 20SmthngSver 23rd Oct 19, 12:24 PM
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    How is this money saving related? Disappointing that MSE is taking the pollster route.
    • belle de jour
    • By belle de jour 23rd Oct 19, 1:49 PM
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    Because with the eu there is no such thing as a Status Quo.

    We joined the eec many moons ago, and those slightly older than me had chance to say whether to stay in the eec.

    Since then it has changed massively, it is now a bureaucratic behemouth that wishes to run everyone's lives. It is in no shape or form even similar to that which people voted for all those years ago. Does that not give you some concern as to what it wishes to become? It already has all the identifiers of a country, it has a flag, it has a currency, it has a rather contradictory national anthem, it has the ridiculous waste of TWO parliaments. It wishes to become the us of e without anyone noticing, they thought they could keep everyone around for the ride until it was too late.
    Originally posted by Enterprise 1701C

    I must be slightly older than you because, back in 1975, I did vote to remain in the EEC. It was then an economic community and it made sense to belong to it, not least because it cut down the amount of paperwork required to shift goods between the UK and mainland Europe.

    No-one was given the opportunity to vote on the Maastricht Treaty in 1992 which was what significantly expanded the relationship between European countries and opened the door to a single currency, European citizenship, a common foreign and security policy, etc. Since then it has grown into the bureaucratic soci-political juggernaut it is today with ambitions to become a pan-European federal government.

    Thats not what I voted for in 1975 and its why I want to leave now.
    • Sheriff23
    • By Sheriff23 23rd Oct 19, 5:51 PM
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    Referendum
    So the politicians are unable to agree anything. I'm not even sure they could agree what day of the week it is! So we should have another referendum.
    HOWEVER we have already had one referendum and the majority voted to LEAVE. In the name of democracy WE MUST RESPECT THIS! Therefore the next referendum should offer only two choices -
    a) - Leave with the current deal
    b) - Leave with no deal

    Simple majority, no further discussion or alteration in parliament. Problem solved.
    • keithw38
    • By keithw38 28th Oct 19, 8:16 PM
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    you talk rubbish
    • Clueless969
    • By Clueless969 30th Oct 19, 12:42 PM
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    The current Brexit situation is down to MP infighting rather than reality!


    When the referendum said that we should leave, any MP who was not prepared to represent the views of their constituents (Remain or Brexit) should have resigned and there should have been elections for those vacated seats. Instead of which MPs seem to have decided to argue their own personal point of view/bias. This leaves us with a complete shambles and the rest of the EU are laughing their socks off because all of the internal dissent in the UK means that the EU do not need to try very hard to find a solution to Brexit.


    To any Remainers that may be following this thread, perhaps you can do something that no Remainer that I have spoken with since the referendum has been able to do and that is to offer one cast-iron reason why we really should stay in the EU and become part of a Federal Europe with no real control over anything?
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