Land registry, title deeds advice please

lisa_2023

Hello MSE forum members.

hoping someone here can please help me with understanding land registry, deeds etc because our insurance solicitor saying we need to get a copy of the original deeds. Lender says don’t have deeds but conveyance letter states they have forwarded on to them. Been told to apply for OC1 and OC2 form which looks complicated to fill out. I’ve no experience in property paperwork. 

The TP1 title number is a different number to the official copy of register title number, which confuses me.  

The reason I’m asking for help is to identify if a mystery drainage pipe or sewer which should be described within the easements ?

seller refused to admit they have any building records or easements. Water authority say no records or maps. Nobody will admit to any records of easements or anything. Seller which is the council said it’s my responsibility my private sewer to sort it out with water authority. 

It did not show on any searches not on CON29DW. It does not serve my property. Year and half trying to find out what this huge pipe drain is. Upstream pipe flooded damaged my back garden. That’s how we found the buried manhole unmapped sewer which wasn’t known to me or neighbour. Possibly highways connecting to main sewer but definitely not serving my property.

It is definitely not described on the documents I have. So my questions are 
should it be detailed and described ?
or does the words of drainage easement make the actual easement legal ?
is this mystery sewer even legal if not detailed if no highways or water authority easement agreement ?
Are the documents TP1 title register less detailed than the original copies OC1 and OC2 ? 

I have copied pasted this section from my document. 

Transfer of part of registered title(5)

12 Additional provisions (a) Rights granted for the benefit of the Property TOGETHER WITH all such rights of way water drainage support and other easements rights or privileges in the nature of easements as are enjoyed or suffered by or over the land and property hereby transferred in common with the adjoining or adjacent property now or formerly of the Transferor or which would be so enjoyed or suffered had the land and property hereby transferred and the said adjoining or adjacent property heretofore been vested in separate owners the Transferee and all others entitled thereto paying a proportionate part of the expense of keeping the same in repair PROVIDED that there shall not pass to the Transferee any land right privilege or easement which has not been within the curtilage or appurtenant to the said dwellinghouse from the time of its erection (b) Rights reserved for the benefit of other land EXCEPTING AND RESERVING unto the Transferor or other the person or persons entitled thereto all mines and minerals other than coal lying in or under the said land and property EXCEPTING AND RESERVING all such rights of way water drainage support and other easements rights or privileges in the nature of easements as are enjoyed or suffered by or over the land and property hereby transferred in common with the adjoining or adjacent property now or formerly of the Transferor or which would be so enjoyed or suffered had the land and property hereby transferred and the said adjoining or adjacent property heretofore been vested in separate owners the Transferee and all others entitled thereto paying a proportionate part of the expense of keeping the same in repair At the time of signing sale paperwork I thought the drainage easement was for our actual combined shared sewer on our front garden. Conveyance solicitor could not question drainage easement on a sewer which was not known disclosed to us not on search report maps. Which is also not serving my property.  Should the seller have disclosed and described the mystery sewer written in the deeds somewhere?  Should there be a drawing plan or something showing roughly where it is located through the terraced back gardens? Anyone have advice which document which forms I need to fill out with land registry to find historic deeds ? Would my property have historic deeds if it’s bought off council registered first time by me ? I’m so confused with this huge mess. Appreciate if someone can help please 🙏

Green_hopeful

I can’t answer all your questions but historically there was no requirement to map or record sewers.  There are thousands of miles of unmapped sewers. Do you know what sort of sewer it is? Does it run all the time, probably foul or sewage or does it only run when it is raining, probably surface water. Do you have neighbours? If it’s a sewer that serves more than one property it has probably transferred to the water and sewage company. Perhaps try your water company again and see if they can work out what it is being used for. 

lisa_2023

morning 
thats the problem 
water engineers and complaints and case worker won’t answer my question 
what it is who it now belongs to
but they have re lined 35 metres length of 100mm pipe but it’s actually more like 300mm pipe
i lifted the heavy duty manhole last week and I see what I think is rainwater flowing when at different rates with different rainfalls 

They haven’t provided anything in writing about ownership or easement responsibility maintenance 
worried of being left with being told riparian owner