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edited 13 June 2019 at 1:11PM in Discussion Time
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  • edited 18 June 2019 at 8:50PM
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    edited 18 June 2019 at 8:50PM
    adindas wrote: »
    I fully believe when Raad say he would crash out of the EU even without a deal he really mean it. At least he knows how to negotiate.

    He didn't negotiate anything.

    He lied in September, said things were going well and a deal was imminent.

    The EU didn't trust him because he was giving false descriptions of events, and because he was working against his Prime Minister.

    You slag off May for the lack of success, but part of her problem was having a two-faced manipulator like Raab derelicting his duty and not getting progress towards a deal when he said he was.

    Utterly obstinate refusal to deal with a situation as it is, and not to make any progress as desired, is not negotiation. Slamming a door as loud as possible isn't naturally followed by talking to the other side as if nothing happened.
  • edited 18 June 2019 at 9:32PM
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    edited 18 June 2019 at 9:32PM
    redux wrote: »
    He didn't negotiate anything.

    He lied in September, said things were going well and a deal was imminent.

    The EU didn't trust him because he was giving false descriptions of events, and because he was working against his Prime Minister.

    You slag off May for the lack of success, but part of her problem was having a two-faced manipulator like Raab derelicting his duty and not getting progress towards a deal when he said he was.

    Utterly obstinate refusal to deal with a situation as it is, and not to make any progress as desired, is not negotiation. Slamming a door as loud as possible isn't naturally followed by talking to the other side as if nothing happened.

    Time has proven Dominic did the right thing to quit TM cabinet.
    It is the right decision given that TM has been named as the worst Prime Minister in the British History, a big liar. This Is just to remind the people what she said.

    The list below is not exhausted ....

    No Deal is better than a bad deal
    An end to “vast annual payments”
    “take back control of our borders, laws and money.
    I would walk away in the negotiation if necessary
    We will definitely be leaving the EU on March 28.

    Unlike TM who has given up all of the power since day one Dominic know how to negotiate by putting pressure in the Irish border. Not begging like TM did.

    It is only the blind will not be able to see that in the no-deal brexit. Ireland is the country who will suffer the most. But they have the power if they want to reverse it with their veto, so let them use it to disrupt the EU.
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    How very disappointing that Dominic Raab is out and Rory Stewart still in:(
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  • edited 18 June 2019 at 9:19PM
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    edited 18 June 2019 at 9:19PM
    melbury wrote: »
    How very disappointing that Dominic Raab is out and Rory Stewart still in:(

    It is almost certain Rory Stewart will be out in the the next round.
    Let hope Raab will endorse Boris and ask his supporter to back Bojo.

    Boris and Dominic Raab is a good combination to face the EU.
    But the best combination might be Farage and Dominic Raab. But unfortunately Farage has not got a chance in this instance.

    At least they will not let UK be humiliated like what TM did. And I fully believe when Raab said UK will be out of the EU deal or no-deal he really mean it, not bluffing.
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    Raab’s lot might tactically split to ensure Stewart is chucked under the bus in the next round. Then they all head to bojo in the last round.

    Not that it matters really, the members are not electing anyone other than boris.

    Then the real fun starts....
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    adindas wrote: »
    Time has proven Dominic did the right thing to quit TM cabinet.

    No.

    If he didn't agree with his brief at the start, he should have never accepted the job in the first place, instead of perverting the negotiations and lying about what was happening.
    adindas wrote: »
    But the best combination might be Farage and Dominic Raab. But unfortunately Farage has not got a chance in this instance.

    This is something else against Raab, that he was keener to talk to Farage than most of his own party.

    You might like the idea temporarily, but that would have probably permanently split the party.

    He is one of the most divisive amongst them. Good riddance

    And Farage won't negotiate anything. He doesn't even turn up most of the time.
  • edited 19 June 2019 at 5:00AM
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    edited 19 June 2019 at 5:00AM
    adindas wrote: »
    It is almost certain Rory Stewart will be out in the the next round.
    Let hope Raab will endorse Boris and ask his supporter to back Bojo.

    Boris and Dominic Raab is a good combination to face the EU.
    But the best combination might be Farage and Dominic Raab. But unfortunately Farage has not got a chance in this instance.

    At least they will not let UK be humiliated like what TM did. And I fully believe when Raab said UK will be out of the EU deal or no-deal he really mean it, not bluffing.

    I don't think Raab's votes will be going to Stewart, so maybe he will be out next time. There is no ceiling for votes however, just the one with the lowest goes. I therefore think it will be Javid.
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  • edited 19 June 2019 at 9:17AM
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    edited 19 June 2019 at 9:17AM
    redux wrote: »
    No.

    If he didn't agree with his brief at the start, he should have never accepted the job in the first place, instead of perverting the negotiations and lying about what was happening.

    [FONT=&quot]You will never know with whom you will be working with. The same thing with anyone else when taking the job and then quit when they see something wrong against their basic principle. Keep in mind Raab is the second person to quit as a Brexit negotiator in less than two consecutive years. It is unprecedented, so most peole could see who is at fault.[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]May will agree a deal which will suck the blood of any British taxpayer for the rest of their life, giving up country sovereignty and get almost nothing.[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]The one who will be defending her must be hardcore remoaners. They know they have lost in the referendum but try another way with BINO using TM who is named is the worst person on the job.
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    [FONT=&quot]Keep in mind she did not quit voluntarily but she was forced to quit. She has been named as the worst Prime Minister ever. Some prominent politicians call her the most dishonest person.[/FONT]
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    fatbelly wrote: »
    Boris 126 !

    Hunt 46
    Gove 41
    Stewart 37
    Javid 33

    and Raab is out on 30


    Bowled , LBW or Caught ?
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    adindas wrote: »
    The one who will be defending her must be hardcore remoaners. They know they have lost in the referendum but try another way with BINO using TM who is named is the worst person on the job.

    Hardcore remainers despise TM for selling out to the ERG and pushing for a hard brexit. She didn’t go for BINO.

    TM failed so spectacularly because she let both sides down.
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