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My Octopus Agile & Go tariff analysis/comparison website

edited 7 June 2019 at 11:26AM in Green & Ethical MoneySaving
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edited 7 June 2019 at 11:26AM in Green & Ethical MoneySaving
As many of the regulars know, the Octopus Agile tariff has really piqued my interest in time of use tariffs using Smart Meters.

Whilst you could grab bits and pieces of historical data from Octopus about 'Agile' it was a bit limited. ie it didn't show all DNO areas and wasn't complete back to Feb 2018.

So i've written a few scripts and pulled all the data in to one place.
  • All 30 minute data from all 14 DNOs going to back to the first day of the Agile tariff (Feb 19th 2018).
  • The data also updates at 5pm each day after Octopus have released their next day's figures.

I've then layered Grafana graphs on top so you can visualise the data yourself on my new website.

Plus, there is a Google Spreadsheet with all the historical data on.

https://www.energy-stats.uk/

I would be interested in people's thoughts on the project.

What could be done better?
What else would people like to see in terms of graphs?
Is this stuff useful?
Could you see this tariff working for you?
Could a combination of PV / batteries get you mostly over the expensive 4pm to 7pm hump?

I'm hoping to expand the project into their GO tariff as well as their new Agile Export figures too.

Cheers.
17 x 300W panels (5.1kWh) on a 3.68kWh SolarEdge system in Sunny Sheffield.
4.8kWh Pylontech battery storage system with Lux AC controller
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  • ZarchZarch Forumite
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    I have spent so much time sorting the website itself I've not really had time to look at the data.

    One thing that springs to mind is how the overall price seems to have gone down over the last 12 months? (select a region and look at the bottom graph for daily summaries.)

    Is this a global trend? Lowering of prices? Are wholesale prices dropping?

    Or is this Octopus finding the level for this new style of tariff? The tariff has only been live now for 15 months, so only one and a bit full years?
    17 x 300W panels (5.1kWh) on a 3.68kWh SolarEdge system in Sunny Sheffield.
    4.8kWh Pylontech battery storage system with Lux AC controller
    Creator of the Energy Stats UK website and @energystatsuk Twitter Feed
  • edited 28 May 2019 at 2:09PM
    SterlingtimesSterlingtimes Forumite
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    edited 28 May 2019 at 2:09PM
    Please don't think for a minute, Zarch, that your work is unappreciated.

    This is a valuable exercise and I have bookmarked your link. I will spend a few minutes later looking through the statistics.
    Solar installed 21 November 2014 > Centre of England > 3,780 Wp > 14 *270 Watt Trina panels > 14 * Enphase micro-inverters > managed by Enlighten Envoy Hub > 19° west of south > 35° pitch > tree shading to east > iBoost > Wattson Anywhere monitoring > Schneider Electric (Drayton) MiGenie smart thermostat.
  • ASavvyBuyerASavvyBuyer Forumite
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    Zarch wrote: »

    I'm hoping to expand the project into their GO tariff as well as their new Agile Export figures too.

    Cheers.

    I would be interested in this, to see if it would be worth switching our export to Agile Export if we were to get more panels.

    However, regarding Go & Agile for import, it still appears that our average cost per kWh on Go (at less than 7.5p/kWh for all the electric we import) works out cheaper than what it would be on Agile.
    Rhondda Cynon Taf, 4kWp, W roof, 30° pitch, 16 x 8.33 Eternity 250w E+10 panels, Solar Edge SE4000-16A Inverter + P300 Optimisers. Inst Aug 2015.
    Solic 200 Diverter, Toshiba RAS-10G2KVP-E Ultra High Efficiency Air Conditioner/Heat Pump, Kia Soul EV & 100% Green Octopus Go Faster Electric Tariff.
  • ZarchZarch Forumite
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    Please don't think for a minute, Zach, that your work is unappreciated.

    This is a valuable exercise and I have bookmarked your link. I will spend a few minutes later looking through the statistics.

    Thank you for your comments. :money:

    Interesting, overnight last night Agile had a low of 3.11p per unit. It was no higher than 6p from midnight through to 6am, then 7p through the most of today.

    I think alongside a small battery to get you over the 4pm to 7pm (20p to 23p per unit today) period if solar can't cover it, this could be a decent option for many people?
    17 x 300W panels (5.1kWh) on a 3.68kWh SolarEdge system in Sunny Sheffield.
    4.8kWh Pylontech battery storage system with Lux AC controller
    Creator of the Energy Stats UK website and @energystatsuk Twitter Feed
  • edited 27 May 2019 at 10:15AM
    KevinGKevinG Forumite
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    edited 27 May 2019 at 10:15AM
    As it's half-term, do I assume that the usual huge post 3pm hike won't be so dramatic?

    Mind you, its seems to happen at weekends anyway, so maybe not ...
    Baxi Ecogen 24/1.0 Micro-CHP boiler installed Oct-2010; 2kWp Solar PV - 10*200W Kioto, SMA Sunny Boy 2000HF, SSE facing, some shading in winter, 37° pitch, installed Jun-2011, inverter replaced Sep-2017.
  • ZarchZarch Forumite
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    KevinG wrote: »
    As it's half-term, do I assume that the usual huge post 3pm hike won't be so dramatic?

    Mind you, its seems to happen at weekends anyway, so maybe not ...

    That will be interested to see Kevin. We can look back at this weeks figures next weekend.

    In the meantime......

    I've added a simple single page showing what the Octopus Go tariff looks like in graph form as well as the current "out of the 5p four hour slot" pricing across the UK.

    https://www.energy-stats.uk/octopus-go-tariff/
    17 x 300W panels (5.1kWh) on a 3.68kWh SolarEdge system in Sunny Sheffield.
    4.8kWh Pylontech battery storage system with Lux AC controller
    Creator of the Energy Stats UK website and @energystatsuk Twitter Feed
  • ZarchZarch Forumite
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    Electricity pricing on Agile was as low as 2.1p last night..... :eek:

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    17 x 300W panels (5.1kWh) on a 3.68kWh SolarEdge system in Sunny Sheffield.
    4.8kWh Pylontech battery storage system with Lux AC controller
    Creator of the Energy Stats UK website and @energystatsuk Twitter Feed
  • Reed_RichardsReed_Richards Forumite
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    According to the Octopus web site electricity prices very occasionally go negative and they pay you to use electricity. Have you encountered one of those events yet?
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  • CoastalwatchCoastalwatch Forumite
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    Many thanks for compiling and posting, it's quite eye opening seeing the two tarrifs compared graphically. No doubt it will assist those people who have any doubts as to which might suit them best and I congratulate you in getting it up and running.

    I'm with Bulb presently, due to them offering energy from a renewable source and sensible price, on their vari fair tarrif.

    Afraid I'm steering clear of the Smart Meter route until the system and technology has matured to a reliable state, which still seems a long way off judging from the many comments made by those experiencing it.
    East coast, lat 51.97. 8.26kw SSE, 23° pitch + 0.59kw WSW vertical. Nissan Leaf plus one dirty diesel. Still waiting for V2H and home storage to become available at sensible cost.
  • edited 19 June 2019 at 1:55PM
    ZarchZarch Forumite
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    edited 19 June 2019 at 1:55PM
    New Website Update - Octopus Outgoing / Export tariff historical and current data.
    This data is just what those Solar PV owners have been waiting for.

    Discussion points and my notes/thoughts for Octopus Outgoing Export Tariffs

    - Their fixed 5.5p per kWh fixed outgoing is a 2.2% increase over current Feed in Tariff (FIT) based 5.38p.

    - These Outgoing tariffs only replace the 'export' element of the FIT. Your generation payments will still come from your registered FIT supplier.

    - Both Fixed and Agile Outgoing are "actual" export rather than "deemed" 50% as per FIT.

    -- You are likely better to stay put on deemed 50% if your export less than 50% of what you generate. ie, if you have immersion diversion, EV or other high daytime usage.

    - If you export more than 50% of what you generate the maths suggest you'd be better off on an 'actual' export tariff. The could well be the case with larger Solar installs.

    - Octopus add credit to your bill each day for your exports. Assuming you spend more on "inbound" energy than you earn on "outbound" they'll aim to set direct debits at a level consistent with the estimated annual net amount. If you're in credit you can withdraw at will online. (From Octopus CEO)

    - In comparison current FIT payments are usually every 3 months.

    - You need to be on an Octopus import tariff to have one of their export tariffs.

    - It will be very interesting to see the Agile Outgoing price through the winter months. The outgoing tariffs only started on 19th May 2019, so we have little historical data to analyse.

    - Whilst its easy to claim 11p per unit and above between 4pm and 7pm during the summer because of late sunset times, its going to be impossible through the winter months with 4pm sunsets.

    - Moving to Octopus requires a 12 month commitment for FIT payments. This is across the board, you can only move FIT supplier once a year.

    - But this does not apply to 'export' supplier. You can move when you want. Plus, you can freely move between Fixed and Agile Outgoing / Export plans once with Octopus.

    - So maybe there is opportunity to crunch the numbers to see if Fixed or Agile are better suited at different times of the year?

    - Will the Octopus Fixed Outgoing tariff increase with inflation as per the current FIT rewards?

    - The FAQ says there is nothing stopping you charging a battery using Solar during the day for free then selling back that energy between 4pm and 7pm for 11p+.

    I need to be careful not to overdo the site URL push after a telling off by the mods. :(

    If you have any ideas of what else you'd like to see please let me know.
    17 x 300W panels (5.1kWh) on a 3.68kWh SolarEdge system in Sunny Sheffield.
    4.8kWh Pylontech battery storage system with Lux AC controller
    Creator of the Energy Stats UK website and @energystatsuk Twitter Feed
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