What's the plan Stan?

ukcarper

lovinituk wrote: »

As a leave voter, it wouldn't bother me. It never entered the equation when I was making my decision.

Glad to here it I'm not sure the majority of leave voters would agree with you.

Kohoutek

lovinituk wrote: »

As a leave voter, it wouldn't bother me. It never entered the equation when I was making my decision.

Why did you vote leave if immigration isn't a factor?

Kohoutek

lovinituk wrote: »

Yeah, because all those non-EU countries are poor as hell aren't they! Literally all 3rd world outside of the EU, a barren wasteland!!

Doesn't change the fact the Europe is by far our biggest customer.

lovinituk

Kohoutek wrote: »

Why did you vote leave if immigration isn't a factor?

That surprised you didn't it! A leave voter who didn't vote based on immigration!! Short answer - because I believe the country can prosper without being part of the EU, just like many other non-EU countries. Our business and many others I know already prosper by exporting world wide. The majority of our sales to EU countries are retail sales to end users and are unlikely to be affected. We export far more to non-EU countries.

lovinituk

Kohoutek wrote: »

Doesn't change the fact the Europe is by far our biggest customer.

And the EU is not all of Europe! The non-EU country Norway is our biggest market in Europe.

(Note for those taking posts out of context - I am referring to my business in the post, not the UK as a whole)

wymondham

These are interesting times. I don't think anyone in the leave camp had a hard coded plan by the looks of it - it was a set of ideals. I hope we start to see what the future could be like once both parties have finished their infighting and remember the bigger picture.

I'm still hopeful things will be much better and don't regret my vote - already lots of the initial waves of the leave decision are settling (I know there is much ahead!)

Interestingly I was talking to one of my old teachers the other day (yes, he's now very old!) and we were lamenting how chaos seems to to currently reign. He said it was a good thing and we are witnessing democracy 'live' - he'd be more worried if we didn't have the openness we do at present... interesting view on it!

idiot

Kohoutek

lovinituk wrote: »

And the EU is not all of Europe! The non-EU country Norway is our biggest market in Europe.

Norway is part of the EU single market, pays into the EU budget and implements EU law.

vivatifosi

Unless I am very much mistaken, the referendum was a choice as to whether or not to leave the EU. It was not a vote to leave the EU, go it alone in the world, think we can negotiate our own trade deals. Anyone who thinks this is how things are going to go now is in cloud cookoo land.

What will happen is that the 16m+ remaninans will now push to go into EFTA as the second best option. Just because vote leave won, it does not mean that only leavers get to shape OUR future outside of the EU.

FWIW, I have said before, we'll probably end up in EFTA, if not then just in the EEA. EFTA will become the de facto "second speed Europe" camp, leaving the EU to get on with closer integration and all of the federalist stuff favoured by Juncker. If it is attractive enough, we'll be joined by Sweden and Denmark at some point in the future.

We won't be able to push back on free movement, however if we can make it that people coming here have to put in before taking out for five years, then that will make the people who do come more self-selecting so the numbers will go down anyway, which they will also because the pound devaluation will make sending money home harder.

lovinituk

Kohoutek wrote: »

Norway is part of the EU single market, pays into the EU budget and implements EU law.

What about the other non-EU country Australia where we export more to than all the EU countries combined.

(Note for those taking posts out of context - I am referring to my business in the post, not the UK as a whole)

vivatifosi

lovinituk wrote: »

What about the other non-EU country Australia where we export more to than all the EU countries combined.

Whoever told you that we export more to Australia than all the EU countries combined?