I've been sacked help please

TELLIT01

If you had said at the first interview that you had been very busy and had simply forgotten to book the items to your staff account there might have been grounds for a written warning.
By lying you forfeit any entitlement to such treatment.
The situation you are in is entirely of your own making because the initial error may have been made accidentally but the lies were deliberate. You need to take in what people here have said - the job is gone and you have to accept that and move on.

jobbingmusician

You were fairly dismissed.

I am happy to accept that the original goods were in your house without record as an error. You then lied in the disciplinary process - a far more serious affair as far as the disciplinary process goes.

If you went to tribunal, the tribunal are not there to judge whether you stole or not. They are there to judge whether the employer followed their own processes (and, to a lesser extent, whether the processes were fair). You gave the employer a total gift by lying. If they could demonstrate that you were lying during a disciplinary, they could have sacked you fairly for that (citing breach of trust) without you having done much else wrong - you gave them great grounds for demonstrating that it was totally fair to sack you. Sorry for the bad news...........

Now go and get a voluntary post, to start building up references for your next job, where I am sure you will have learnt from this.

phill99

Bojanglesme wrote: »

The disciplining manager is much more understanding , I'm positive I've only been sacked because of what the other manager said.

No. You have been sacked because there is evidence that you stole and lied as a result of it. You are lucky the police haven't been involved.

Mr.Generous

a tribunal looks at the process and procedures as already been said, but also looks at the decision taken. They consider whether the decision falls "within the band of reasonable outcomes". I.E they dont have to agree with it, and while one person MIGHT have given you a final warning and another sacked you are both outcomes reasonable in the circumstances. I'm afraid that they are 100% within the bands of reasonable outcomes. 'Breaching the trust that must exist between the company and its employees' is a text book gross misconduct. If you waste any time and money pursuing this I'm afraid it will be wasted. Time to learn a lesson and move on. You never know, new opportunities might turn up and eventually you'll look on this as just another learning experience.

matttye

Bojanglesme wrote: »

I think this is unfair dismissal though. The investigating manager has had it in for me for ages, he wouldn't have believed me regardless of what I had said. I told the truth to the manager in the disciplinary hearing and told him I'd only lied to the investigating manager because of this.

Nonsense. It is not unfair dismissal. You lied during a disciplinary investigation. When you were already in trouble you dug yourself a deeper hole by lying.

Whether you later told the truth is irrelevant.. the fact that you thought it was appropriate to lie during a disciplinary investigation means they could never trust you again.

nimbo

Bojanglesme wrote: »

The disciplining manager is much more understanding , I'm positive I've only been sacked because of what the other manager said.

The thing is that manager said
1 - company property was at their address without being booked out as it should have been.
2 - when asked the employee lied about this.
3 - I caught them in the lie and they lied again.
4 - when it got to the investigation - they back tracked and said they're lied twice and they were sorry.

It doesn't really matter if the manager who said this liked or disliked you - it could have been your best fried and you'd still be in the poopie.

Best thing now rather then try to fight this - wasting time and energy and money. Look for another role. Get some voluntary position to help fill the gap in your cv and start looking for paid work.

Good luck in your future roles.

sangie595

unforeseen wrote: »

Maybe you ought to report yourself for shooting from the hip and making totally wrong assumptions then

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/jessi-slaughter

Just because some individuals are part of a media club and know what they are seeing does not mean the rest of us do or want to. The image appears to portray a very frightened girl being threatened by a male with an upraised fist. And I am clearly not the only person who thinks so judging by the response to my post. I therefore still consider the image to be inappropriate, and irrelevant to the subject matter of the thread. And regardless of subsequent explanations, it still is - violence or threats of violence are not appropriate responses to any circumstances. And nor are personally abusive attacks. I made a polite request and explained why I thought the image inappropriate (and still do). That does not justify abuse back.

missbiggles1

unforeseen wrote: »

Maybe you ought to report yourself for shooting from the hip and making totally wrong assumptions then

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/jessi-slaughter

Most people don't go checking on the internet what an image is, they go by what it appears to be. The request was also politely worded rather than "shooting from the hip".

ohreally

unforeseen wrote: »

Maybe you ought to report yourself for shooting from the hip and making totally wrong assumptions then

A polite request was made, in what respect could that be described as shooting from the hip?

sangie595 wrote: »

I'm sorry to derail this, but could I respectfully ask

sangie595

unforeseen wrote: »

The request was polite however it also contained the threat to report the poster if they did not comply. Consequently the poster replied to that threat.

You do not be polite and include a threat at the same time. That was a post with the intention to antagonise from the get go. And very hypocritical of somebody to then feel aggrieved when it does escalate

ETA
On rethink the post
is actually bullying. Do as I say or else

There was no threat of anything. A report to the forum team can result in a sanction which would have been avoidable if the poster had accepted that people were offended by the image. I assumed, obviously quite incorrectly, that the poster was a reasonable person and did not wish to offend others. Their subsequent abuse towards me demonstrates otherwise. And if anyone is a hypocrite, it is someone who uses an image apparently illustrating a warning against abusing and bullying on line, and then does it themselves.