The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Thrugelmir

I'm applying to become a Scottish citizen in order to cast my vote for independence. :EasterBun

Shakethedisease

michaels wrote: »

Surely acting in Scotland's best interest is to keep agitating for indepenence thus winning a much larger than fair share of UK govt spending as a bribe to stay with no real intention of ever going it alone and losing all that largesse. Anyone seriously want to claim this is not the true SNP policy?

Agitating for independence is who the SNP are. It's the reason they were founded in 1934. So I can't agree with the no intention of ever going it alone part. They would've ducked the referendum also if this was the case. With a perfect excuse as polling at the beginning was barely hitting 30% for independence even on a good day.

Shakethedisease

Tromking wrote: »

Nothing to worry about there if you`re a Unionist. High approval ratings for Scottish politicians spending the Westminster bung wisely does not an independent Scotland make. But you knew that.

Is the timing and the rise from previous levels that's important. But you knew that too.

Almost three-quarters (73%) of Scots now believe ministers in Edinburgh act it he country’s long-term interest, according to the latest Scottish Social attitudes survey for 2015.

This is up from 59% in 2013 and the highest level of trust among Scots since the onset of devolution in 1999.

Mistermeaner

Begging for english money and not calling for independence

I would agree they are acting in scotlands best interest

Shakethedisease

Mistermeaner wrote: »

Begging for english money and not calling for independence

I would agree they are acting in scotlands best interest

The SNP are the only large political party who want to ditch 'English money' asap. You may have mixed them up with Scottish Labour, Scottish Conservatives and Scottish Lib Dems, all of whom are quite happy to sit back with their hands out forever.

You also strangely seem to have missed an independence referendum in Sept 2014. Calling for.. well.. independence. :doh:We'd even like our very own Chancellor.

John Swinney: Scotland 'may need a chancellor'

Speaking at a Scottish Parliamentary Journalists' Association event in Edinburgh, Mr Swinney said: "There is an argument for there purely being a ministerial role that looks solely at the issues of tax and public expenditure control.
"There are other responsibilities of course. The responsibilities in this respect will be growing very dramatically in the course of the next few years."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-35840043

Mistermeaner

No they dont (want to ditch English money)

Tromking

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Is the timing and the rise from previous levels that's important. But you knew that too.

Nobody sensible can deny the post indyref bounce the SNP are currently enjoying, but lets not extrapolate too much. Swinney`s insistence on Scotland keeping the 'bung' tells me how serious they are about independence.

chewmylegoff

Come on everyone, only 9,980 more posts to go until this thread can be closed.

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I guess all countries have ups, downs and challenges independent ( as let's face it most are ) or not. Perhaps the thing you should be asking is who is best placed to deal with these challenges. 307 Years in the UK has apparently left Scotland a complete basket case. There is an argument to be made that staying in the UK will only serve to ensure Scotland remains a *basket case. Only by leaving will there be opportunities, once the immediate shock of breaking away has been gotten over, to change Scotland's basket case status.

You and others seem to be stuck on and endless loop at the 'immediate shock' stage and cannot see past it.

*am paraphrasing others.

There is a bit of Deja vu here in that you have posted more or less those remarks before, I objected at the time and I see I have to do that again.

After all this time as part of a Union, Scotland is doing very well thankyou, being supported by the Union via the Barnet financing and enjoying a high standard of living. Scotland's identity has not been submerged but has flourished and will continue to do so, with its enhanced devolution status to maintain the distinctive Scottishness it rightly enjoys.

The term Basket Case refers to the degradation that Scotland would endure if separation from the benefits of the Union.

The "Challenges" arise from the suggested separation, not the existing status quo of the Union. That is well understood be the SNP who maintain a running whingeing campaign to create artificial points of discord to further their policy of separation. So in that way they hope to convince voters that I dependence would solve those artificial problems to try to distract attention from the real problems which would accompany separation.

Discounting the aftermath of separation as a short lived period of minor adjustment has, and continues to be, a dishonest propaganda ploy. In that context the campaign run by the SNP remains a valid reference point as it was demonstrably based on misrepresenting Scottish finances. That might be passed off as a historical blip but not when the same misrepresentation continues to this day and no attempt is made to give serious answer to important financial questions.

The failure to answer Mistermeaner's questions is symptomatic of the failure of the SNP to give the Scottish People the truth on the consequences of Separation from the United Kingdom.

baldelectrician

.string. wrote: »

The failure to answer Mistermeaner's questions is symptomatic of the failure of the SNP to give the Scottish People the truth on the consequences of Separation from the United Kingdom.

From a different angle
Unionism has dealt Scotland with an economy that is ran with a London and SE England agenda.
Westminster cannot run a UK economy with only Scottish interests first and foremost (as expected), only a Scottish Government (of whatever party in power) will run a Scottish economy solely for the benefit of Scotland.


This is the argument for independence in a nutshell


The unionist argument is that (because of Unionist failed policies) Scotland's economy is a basket case- can we have another 300 years to perfect it?
Too wee, too poor too stupid argument again.